• DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world
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    You’re right, I do give up on “conservatives” and fascists. I don’t hold it against you for trying, but I believe that the only way to win with fascists is to not play their game, and to simply oppose them wherever and whenever they crop up. No, ultimately I don’t believe that you or anyone else who claims to have swayed a few opinions have ultimately made any difference in people with no regard for others, so I will continue to have no regard for them.

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      That’s a pretty dangerous game to play. It just strengthens their resolve and blinds you from the genuine understanding of your fellow humans. I think your stance harms society.

      • DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world
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        You’re advocating for tolerating the intolerant. All you’re doing is being the Kaiser Wilhelm-looking character in this comic about the Paradox of Tolerance:

        https://i.imgur.com/Pelf2ob.jpg

        Karl Popper described this as a paradox, but it’s not even that.

        Tolerance is a social contract that we all agree to participate in. By not tolerating others, conversatives/fascists have broken the contract, and are then no longer bound by or protected by it. Therefore it is not wrong or paradoxical to not tolerate the intolerant.

        • joe@lemmy.world
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          You’re all over the place. I asked how “not playing their game” has worked out. Do you feel like your strategy is working?

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              And is your tactic making life better for the millions of women who can no longer get a safe abortion?

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                  I enjoyed reading your replies to this dolt. I think they try to exhaust you by muddying the water but all he’s done is make his position look utterly stupid and exhausting.

                  I think his goal is to make people afraid to engage and silence others from posting? Or maybe it’s simply to waste your time. Either way, I appreciate your attempt at engaging this bad faith “I’m on your side no really” actor.

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                  Yes. I have been told (though they could have been lying, but I don’t see why they would) that I have convinced people to switch their stance.

                  Does surreptitiously threatening to shoot people change minds, you think?

                  • DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world
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                    Honestly come to think of it, I do blame you and people with your attitude for the rise of fascism in the U.S. “”“Centrists”“” kept tolerating them for decades, and they kept feeling more and more emboldened.