The Pennsylvania Democrat recalled his time serving as a Hillary Clinton surrogate in 2016, even after he supported Bernie Sanders in the primary.
I don’t like Joe Biden, but this isn’t a presidential approval poll, it’s an election, and he’s clearly better than any of the alternatives. And when it comes down to it, he’s been better than I expected. We could have just had an exclusively centrist presidency, and while there’s been plenty of centrism, he has been persuadable to progressive action.
And frankly even if you can’t bring yourself to express support Biden for some reason, it should be pretty easy to want anyone who willingly associates with Republicans to lose and lose badly, because they’re way beyond stealth-mode fascism now. Even the most jaded “they’re all neolibs” voter from earlier elections can’t possibly ignore that the Republicans are just fash now. There’s a real danger if they win that cities end up with federally tasked jackboots kidnapping protesters like Portland.
When the vote is between someone (and a party) who says “climate change is more worrying than nuclear war” and “climate change is a hoax” the choice should be clear for any reasonable person. All the treason stuff aside (though very important, everyone should already be decided on that), climate change is the biggest issue for everyone I know. Probably for any average person under 50 if I had to guess.
Primaries are for ideas and ideals. General elections are for harm reduction.
The key to getting progression policies passed is voting for Congress. Having a democratic President, whether it’s Biden or someone else, doesn’t matter if we only have a razor-thin majority. We just get held hostage by people like Manchin. We need solid majorities in both House and Senate to achieve anything.
Ah yes everything is progressives fault and not establishment dinosaurs pandering to their corporate donors .
Oh, because i support progressive people, not union busters
This president made an empty promise about continuing to work for paid sick leave after preventing a strike by railworkers at the end of 2022. Except, that it actually worked. Almost every union did get paid sick leave for its members within six months aided by continued pressure from the White House.
He’s a pretty lousy union buster.
“You can’t strike, but I will try to talk to your boss to get you some of what you desire” is still union busting. The union doesn’t have the power anymore.
I dont really blame you, theyve done quite the PR on this. There’s an electrical worker union, with a branch dealing with railroad electricians. They supported the pre-strike deal the railroad companies offered, they likely already had things like sick leave. If youve seen reports on reactions of rail workers to the post-strike-busting situation, you very likely only saw quotes from this union. Of electrical workers.
It’s a dick move to downplay their big win. Here’s another news release about a deal for sick days that affected right unions: https://www.up.com/media/releases/paid-sick-leave-nr-230322.htm
Telling workers they can’t fight for their own rights, and have to wait for politicians to do it for them us not progressive, and its not pro-labor. It’s on a long list of swiftly festering bandages that only stave off death for a little while. If we don’t empower our workers, we stifle them. Even if we bribe them candy when they demand steak.
Those paid sick days still count against the attendance records of the railroad employees via the actually insane “points” system, a system that the rail unions were fighting against. It’s strange how all of the neoliberal papers that are sucking Biden off over this “win” neglect to mention that.
The rail unions seemed pretty happy: https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
Controlled opposition.
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If people are always afraid of the other guy and vote for the lesser of two evils we get our horrible two party system.
Nothing to do with being contrarian. If the candidate can’t win on their merits and need the other guy to be demonized that’s a problem.
I’m personally tired of voting out of fear instead of hope.
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Biden is center-right. He’s not left, he’s not progressive in my book. He doesn’t represent me at all. It’s not about contrarianism.
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That’s not going to be good for earning their vote, is it? I think he and the WH ought to try real hard to figure it out.
I’m still soured by how the primary shook out in 2020. Before any votes were cast, all everyone said about all the candidates were that anyone could beat Trump. Bernie won the first 3 races, and the Democratic establishment fought anyway they could to kill the movement, including pressuring flailing campaigns to back out. Biden finally won and the only message is for the left wing of the party to get in line. Kind of a hard pill to swallow when the Democrats claimed to be the party of the youth, but the youth voted 80%+ for Bernie in the primary. Ended up voting Green in 2020. Will I do so again in '24? Who knows, but at this point it isn’t looking good. I don’t like that the right wing of the Democrats (center-right overall) expects the left to follow along no matter what they do.
I’m not sure I buy this whole “third party votes are wasted votes” or “third party votes are a vote for the opposition”. The US system heavily heavily biases towards having a two party system, but third parties exist, and just because Democrats and Republicans are the two major parties right now, doesn’t mean they will be in the future. The Whigs were one of the two major parties for 25 years of US history, even winning the Presidency a few times, but now they’re not. It took people not willing to accept the party line and jumping ship to change that, which again the system biases against, but it still happened. Democrats aren’t the end-all-be-all of lefty politics. The next left wing party won’t be the end-all-be-all either. Democrats have no incentive to change the current system. By continuing to vote for them, whether you believe it or not, you’re approving and perpetuating the behavior. It isn’t a useful method of change to say “I don’t agree with anything the Democrats say, but that’s the world we’re in”. That’s how you end up in a situation where 70% of the country supports universal healthcare, but only 5-6 members of Congress do. Voting for a further left party than the Democrats will cause the Democrats to wise up to what their traditional base wants.
Politics in Democracy is not a passive system. Passivity leads to what we have now, two parties that write the rules for the states and the governments that represent the interests of almost no one, but have convinced us that they’re the only and best options. There are agents of the Democrats currently in jail for breaking election law in their efforts to keep the Greens off the ballot. I’m sure the same is true for Republicans. Don’t tell them its okay by giving them your vote. Don’t give in to the political version of the Paradox of Thrift.
Bernie won the first 3 races,
Oh no, don’t you remember? They fucked the Iowa caucus to make sure he didn’t win, handing a victory to the nobody Buttigieg instead.
That’s not true. The numbers show otherwise. When it came to primaries there just wasn’t the turnout Bernie supporters needed to get his name on the ticket. You can’t have it both ways.
Voting for a further left party than the Democrats will cause the Democrats to wise up to what their traditional base wants.
Maybe after like a decade, after losing a few presidencies in a row.
But we don’t have time for that. The Republicans plan to effectively end democracy if they win the House.
First Past the Post is the unfortunate reality, and yes it’s fucking us hard.
The Green Party received a quarter of 1 percent of total votes in 2020. The third best showing they’ve ever had. Four years prior Jill Stein received an entire 1% higher than that against probably the two least liked candidates of all time. They ain’t it.
Simple. They are still liberal. They never drank the progressive kool aid that lead to Trump.
They’re easy to understand: they are privileged and insulated enough from potential Republican fuckery that if Democrats lose elections, they are mostly going to be ok. They’re mostly middle class or higher with secure employment or other economic support (parents, spouse), straight (or closeted), their religious status isn’t contentious, mostly they’re male.
The other group I’d expect would be extremely low information voters who believe all politicians are the same and it’s a Coke or Pepsi kind of thing. That’s not going to be super common with anyone identifying as “progressive” due to the very politicized nature of that term, though.
I’m a trans woman in Iowa.
I’m voting for Cornel West.
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Im in rural mississippi
I already lost Roe v Wade cause “progressives” cutting off their nose in spite.
Even if Hilary lost, that was no excuse to let Republicans take over the senate or elsewhere. Which they did.
Even back in my more “libertarian” days I still voted for Hilary cause what I knew could happen. And it did happen.
Edit: Turns out Bernie/Progressive voters really did come out a lot for Hilary, which lead to the popular vote wins. I was wrong. Sorry.
Yeah, except Bernie’s supporters voted for Hillary at higher rates than Hillary folks voted for Obama, so maybe Hillary, her dumb fucking insecure email server, her lack of personality, and the DNC who helped her cheat her way through primary debates are the real ones to blame, not the progressives. She was a terrible candidate who the right hated and independents didn’t like much better and she proved she was a terrible candidate by losing to the worst Republican candidate in the last hundred years. She had all the help she should’ve needed from progressives.
