Welcome to politics. You think the democrats aren’t just anti-whatever-the-republicans-try-to-do?
I’m honestly surprised that seemingly everyone in here supports funding the Ukraine war over looking after the American people. As an Australian I’d be livid if we were sending all our money to Ukraine or any other country when we’re in the midst of a cost of living crisis, with interest rates skyrocketing, and with a looming recession.
I’m honestly surprised that seemingly everyone in here supports funding the Ukraine war over looking after the American people.
But that’s just it. It’s not one or the other. US wouldn’t have invested the funds going to Ukraine in health care or any other social welfare direction. That budget is a military budget.
US mentality is what keeps investments out of social welfare, not lack of resources. Even with the Ukrainian aid, there are enough resources to invest in infrastructure & welfare, there just isn’t any political will to do so.
And, of course, you should also see that supporting Ukraine is in the advantage of the American people long term. It’s basically a long term investment. Having a strong stable Europe without the constant threat from Russia is very good for business. Not to mention that when this war ends, there’s a 40 million people country which needs rebuilding and there is a lot of money to be made from that.
Its not hundreds. Pulling numbers out of the void to prove a point… Come on. And even hundreds is not much by the modern standards. Not to mention that Ukraine will have to pay some of it back. As well as russia, once they capitulate. In fact, amount of russian assets that was arrested is MORE than was spent to help Ukraine. Which is NOT a bad deed by itself (crazy that this needs to be repeated).
No, I understand how politics work. You clearly don’t. Go back and look at almost every vote and you’ll see the tally almost entirely along party lines.
Democrats go against republican proposals, republicans go against democrat proposals. This is politics 101. It’s not just a republican thing, and suggesting it is shows just how far down the democrat rabbit hole you are.
You’re absolutely right that democrats are performative opposition as well. I remember when Obama was telling Romney that the cold war has been over for a long while. Here’s a clip for anyone who has forgotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg
Then the parties switched opinions on the issue, but you’ll find that the vast majority of both parties will vote towards the same overarching geopolitical goals. There’s a grand script, and although democrats and republicans differ on a number of things, they will not deviate from this grand script. Of course, people here would instead rather argue about the amount of money being sent or “ackshully it’s just equipment” or “ackshully they’re just loans they’ll pay back” but they miss the big picture and would rather just mass downvotes.
Of course, people here would instead rather argue about the amount of money being sent or “ackshully it’s just equipment” or “ackshully they’re just loans they’ll pay back” but they miss the big picture and would rather just mass downvotes.
Quickly finding out that Lemmy is no different from reddit in terms of political bias, just one giant “vote blue no matter who” party.
I am from this vodka state so I may be biased, but as I see it, some republicans don’t really care about this issue and pick that position only to be contrarian and farm votes on ‘anything against dems’-train. They aren’t clever, really. Russia does benefit from it and probably encourage that with it’s money, but for republicans it’s not about Ukraine, Russia or anything, it’s about owning the dems and getting into the office. And some of them probe even this edgy position.
They are, that’s why the majority of them are in favor of it. However the individual official might get more Russian money than corporate sponsorship and flip their vote to go against the larger group. Also, kompromat can be even more impactful than bribery.
Aren’t they usually pro war? Isn’t that aid helping the military industrial complex?
They’re anti whatever democrats are doing
Not just Democrats. Anyone who isn’t part of their particular tribe, including most of the GOP.
Welcome to politics. You think the democrats aren’t just anti-whatever-the-republicans-try-to-do?
I’m honestly surprised that seemingly everyone in here supports funding the Ukraine war over looking after the American people. As an Australian I’d be livid if we were sending all our money to Ukraine or any other country when we’re in the midst of a cost of living crisis, with interest rates skyrocketing, and with a looming recession.
But that’s just it. It’s not one or the other. US wouldn’t have invested the funds going to Ukraine in health care or any other social welfare direction. That budget is a military budget.
US mentality is what keeps investments out of social welfare, not lack of resources. Even with the Ukrainian aid, there are enough resources to invest in infrastructure & welfare, there just isn’t any political will to do so.
And, of course, you should also see that supporting Ukraine is in the advantage of the American people long term. It’s basically a long term investment. Having a strong stable Europe without the constant threat from Russia is very good for business. Not to mention that when this war ends, there’s a 40 million people country which needs rebuilding and there is a lot of money to be made from that.
Nice hyperbole.
How many tens or even hundreds of billions shave you sent to Ukraine so far?
Is that all the money?
Yeh definitely. Every last cent.
Look at you trying to “akshually” it as if it make any difference lol. Hundreds of billions of dollars. Hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars.
The facts don’t align with your hyperbole. Also, while that’s a lot of zeros, it’s about 1% of America’s expenditures in 2022.
Its not hundreds. Pulling numbers out of the void to prove a point… Come on. And even hundreds is not much by the modern standards. Not to mention that Ukraine will have to pay some of it back. As well as russia, once they capitulate. In fact, amount of russian assets that was arrested is MORE than was spent to help Ukraine. Which is NOT a bad deed by itself (crazy that this needs to be repeated).
If you want a real discussion don’t say things like “all the money”. How about using some facts instead
You have a poor understanding of American politics.
No, I understand how politics work. You clearly don’t. Go back and look at almost every vote and you’ll see the tally almost entirely along party lines.
Democrats go against republican proposals, republicans go against democrat proposals. This is politics 101. It’s not just a republican thing, and suggesting it is shows just how far down the democrat rabbit hole you are.
You understand politics the way a 4 year old understands hide and seek.
You’re absolutely right that democrats are performative opposition as well. I remember when Obama was telling Romney that the cold war has been over for a long while. Here’s a clip for anyone who has forgotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg
Then the parties switched opinions on the issue, but you’ll find that the vast majority of both parties will vote towards the same overarching geopolitical goals. There’s a grand script, and although democrats and republicans differ on a number of things, they will not deviate from this grand script. Of course, people here would instead rather argue about the amount of money being sent or “ackshully it’s just equipment” or “ackshully they’re just loans they’ll pay back” but they miss the big picture and would rather just mass downvotes.
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Quickly finding out that Lemmy is no different from reddit in terms of political bias, just one giant “vote blue no matter who” party.
I am from this vodka state so I may be biased, but as I see it, some republicans don’t really care about this issue and pick that position only to be contrarian and farm votes on ‘anything against dems’-train. They aren’t clever, really. Russia does benefit from it and probably encourage that with it’s money, but for republicans it’s not about Ukraine, Russia or anything, it’s about owning the dems and getting into the office. And some of them probe even this edgy position.
That money is going to a democracy to fight Russia, a white nationalist oligarchy. They want Russia to win.
They are, that’s why the majority of them are in favor of it. However the individual official might get more Russian money than corporate sponsorship and flip their vote to go against the larger group. Also, kompromat can be even more impactful than bribery.
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These Rs would be all for military support if it were going to Moscow
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They are pro-war. But also pro-ruzzia.
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