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      I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.” The gangrape of that reporter started by one dude in crowd deciding she’s a Jew and therefore fair game. A flash mob realizing a car is in the wrong neighborhood and immediately trying to kill them. Random rocket attacks on civilians foiled only by tech that costs 100x the weapons it defends against.

      I’m not saying Israel is justified, or they aren’t on their way to outright fascism, or they don’t get some murder and torture in on their own.

      I’m saying violence is a perpetual suffering machine that in this case is too late to solve, but we’re forgetting the British started it all, let’s invade England and execute the monarchy.

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        Oh I think you misunderstood some things there. I see a israeli security minister that is a straight up a right wing extremist. I see that cars from Palestinians can’t enter certain regions in order for them to not get into the “wrong” neighbourhoods. And most importantly of all I see journalists killed by the IDF. Imagine you are oppressed by a apartheid state that was put onto your land by some imperialistic force, but then expands even further into “your” territorry and surpresses you. I do NOT condone the actions by the Hamas. But when Palestinians see violence as the only way out I can see why.

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          And now you’re an Israeli who sees a radical Palestinian and says to themselves “well fuck these guys too then.”

          You see how this works? I don’t feel like the cycle of violence is a new observation. I feel like you should already know one side being bad doesn’t make the other good.

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            Yeah thing is that the gov of Israel is the source of the “cycle”. They create facts by building Israeli settlements on Palestinian territories and say “Welp guess you can’t live there any longer”, they commit warcrimes by falsely stating that they won’t attack, then airstrike, keep normal civilian Palestinians in the world’s largest open air prisons and only continue to strengthen their grip on the Palestinian people.

            Israel is the only party that can actually stop the violence. If the Hamas would stop their attacks it wouldn’t mean that the Palestinians will be treated equal to Israelis by the state. That’s like saying Ukrainians should stop defending their territory cuz they only prolong the suffering that way.

            And for most Israelis it’s sadly “fuck the Palestinians” and not “specifically fuck the actually radical Palestinians” thanks to rigorous propaganda.

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              When Israel was broadly behaving like they didn’t have a wannabe fascist dictator obsessed with an Israeli Manifest Destiny as PM it didn’t stop Hamas either. Do you think if Netanyahu goes to prison where he belongs they’ll suddenly accept the two state solution?

              Because as it is only Fatah seems willing to accept that, and they’re hemorrhaging support.

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        I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.”

        Yeah no shit. That’s a natural reaction to jewish people suddenly invading their country and killing their families. Try harder

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          “It’s completely normal to scream for genocide. No, obviously Israel doesn’t get the same benefit in this multi-generational conflict initially caused by outside sources.”

          And you great minds wonder why people assume being anti-Israel is just hidden anti-Semitism lol