There was fear on the left and hope on the right that DeSantis would be “smart Trump.” Just as evil as Trump is, but with more brains to be able to pull stuff off and less likely to be distracted by petty rivalries.
Since then, DeSantis has shown that he’s not as smart as people thought he was, definitely can’t sway crowds like Trump can, and is absolutely willing to pursue petty rivalries even when they don’t benefit him.
I think this is the biggest issue. He doesn’t have the charisma that Trump does. While I’ve found most of Trump’s nicknames for people pretty stupid, “Meatball Ron” is on point.
I don’t know what the fuck Trump has, but it’s certainly not charisma. The guy can barely form a coherent thought when he’s speaking, makes a fool out of himself every time he speaks, and is pretty much wrong about everything he says.
Still somehow has millions of people voting for him, so maybe it is some bizzaro reverse charisma or something.
A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.
Personal magnetism or charm.
Is he charming? Depends on preference I think. Does he “arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm”? Absolutely. Why? Hard to say exactly (again, personal preference) but he fits the dictionary definition of “charismatic” to a T.
I would say that it’s a form of charisma. One that works on his MAGA faithful but that doesn’t work on the rest of us. (If anything, it’s like anti-charisma to us.)
He’s smart, just not in the way a populist politician needs to be. What he is, though, is a fucking ghoul. His service has some pretty fucked up shit regarding torture regimes at gitmo.
The good news is, Republicans aren’t really about pursuing wokeness as much anymore. But polling also suggests they’re much more in favor of Trump still, somehow, in spite of everything. So that’s the other shoe dropping. They’re back on their “law and order,” unless the law and order is coming down on Trump, it seems. 😂
“Law and order” has always only meant “keep undesirables (minorities, leftists, workers) afraid and under constant threat of violence”. It has never meant “actually hold everyone equally accountable to the law”.
There are other polls by Republicans that said wokeness is their top priority. I’m not sure what one poll does for this narrative. I’m not entirely convinced Republicans aren’t really about pursuing wokeness as much anymore.
I think DeSantis made have hurt that movement a little by being an incompetent moron.
I think trying to figure out their actual top priority is a fool’s errand, because they have no idea. Seriously, I don’t think today’s Republican rank and file has a firm enough grasp on reality and the issues of today to have the first clue what they actually believe about anything beyond “Trump good” and “Democrats bad.”
It’s not even “Republicans good” anymore, because being solidly conservative, but disliking Trump, is enough to get one ousted from the party as a RINO now. The only true defining characteristic of a “Republican” today is worship of Trump.
Just from my anecdotal experience with painfully stupid family members, it seems like the most important issue to them at any given moment is whatever the Facebook algorithm is pushing at the time. Whoever has that wrangled is really driving the narrative. They spend all their free time plugged in to Facebook seething over their perceived political enemies. Besides the fact that they’re stupid as shit, it’s pathetic and sad.
If somebody can debate their political viewpoints with me, that instantly earns them some respect points. I’m just tired of some people defining their political views as just being against other views
I’ve attempted to discuss my political views to people, but it seems more often than not that as soon as I identify myself as conservative, I get shut down. This is despite the fact that more often than not, I vote democrat, support abortion, support legalized weed, want LGBT rights, a complete reorganization of the legal system, and an actual working social safety net. But I believe the federal government is too big, states should decide more for themselves and businesses and corporations are NOT people.
I upvoted you in a “well yes, but actually no” sort of way. Republicans know exactly what they want – subjugation of everybody who’s not them, using any and all means available – but still don’t feel secure enough in their power to come out say it that bluntly yet. So they come up with random shit to act as euphemistic proxies for it, which sounds like ineptitude to anybody who’s still trying to give them some sort of benefit of the doubt.
Fair. Although I’d say that applies more to the mid-tier and up Republicans. The rank-and-file Fox News watchers don’t know what they believe unless Fox told them five seconds ago.
Nah, even the rank-and-file know they want to subjugate everybody outside their tribe. They may not necessarily understand how the things the leadership pushes accomplish that – and more to the point, they might not even realize they’re actually often not in the tribe the leaders are pushing it for – but they don’t need to because they have blind faith instead. Deference to authority is what being a conservative is.
Controlling actions that cause negative externalities for consumers and citizens I could see but this is about the government punishing them for publishing speech that opposes his agenda.
On one hand full agreement, on the other hand there’s also something fundamentally wrong with state governments attempting to force mega corporations to do something in a different state without compelling reason purely by accounts of holding a large investment in their state.
Florida can ban things in Florida all they want within the confines of law and liberty (which they’ve long past left but that’s a different thing). But they were trying to force the whole of a company headquartered in California to stop being “woke” through punitive actions by nature of them holding a significant real investment in Florida that would be economically disastrous for both parties if it were sold off or abandoned.
It depends on what you mean by control. Can you state exactly what a Florida politician should have been legally allowed to do for the great crime of the CEO saying they disagree with them?
I have zero problems with regulations and taxes I have problems with a company or a person being censored for stating their opinion. If you look at everything he is doing it is all about them being broken to support him.
DeSantis vs Disney is like watching two kaiju monsters fight: both are monsters, but one is kinda fun since you’ve known then since childhood. But they’re still monsters, so no matter who wins, it’s a net good that they’re fighting.
You can remove the word “seems” from your comment. Meatball Ron is an absolute buffoon. He wants to spread his terrible hatred across the US as fast as possible, if he holds office. If there’s any doubt, look at some of the recent legislation being signed in Florida
Is this guy really the great new hope for the GOP? He seems to be a completely clueless buffoon who lacks any sense of decency. I guess it checks out.
There was fear on the left and hope on the right that DeSantis would be “smart Trump.” Just as evil as Trump is, but with more brains to be able to pull stuff off and less likely to be distracted by petty rivalries.
Since then, DeSantis has shown that he’s not as smart as people thought he was, definitely can’t sway crowds like Trump can, and is absolutely willing to pursue petty rivalries even when they don’t benefit him.
I think this is the biggest issue. He doesn’t have the charisma that Trump does. While I’ve found most of Trump’s nicknames for people pretty stupid, “Meatball Ron” is on point.
I don’t know what the fuck Trump has, but it’s certainly not charisma. The guy can barely form a coherent thought when he’s speaking, makes a fool out of himself every time he speaks, and is pretty much wrong about everything he says.
Still somehow has millions of people voting for him, so maybe it is some bizzaro reverse charisma or something.
Is he charming? Depends on preference I think. Does he “arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm”? Absolutely. Why? Hard to say exactly (again, personal preference) but he fits the dictionary definition of “charismatic” to a T.
It’s charisma. Just because it doesn’t appeal to you doesn’t mean it’s not charisma.
I would say that it’s a form of charisma. One that works on his MAGA faithful but that doesn’t work on the rest of us. (If anything, it’s like anti-charisma to us.)
Charisn’tma, is what I’ve taken to calling it.
He’s smart, just not in the way a populist politician needs to be. What he is, though, is a fucking ghoul. His service has some pretty fucked up shit regarding torture regimes at gitmo.
If you listen to him talk for 5 seconds you can tell he sounds like a dork. Trump will call his wife ugly and he’s done.
The good news is, Republicans aren’t really about pursuing wokeness as much anymore. But polling also suggests they’re much more in favor of Trump still, somehow, in spite of everything. So that’s the other shoe dropping. They’re back on their “law and order,” unless the law and order is coming down on Trump, it seems. 😂
“Law and order” has always only meant “keep undesirables (minorities, leftists, workers) afraid and under constant threat of violence”. It has never meant “actually hold everyone equally accountable to the law”.
Important to note for the liberals: Yes, that includes when Clinton said it.
And when Biden wrote the 1994 Crime Bill.
(Sure, fine, Biden’s more respectful of civil rights now as President. But that doesn’t change what he did in the past.)
Light on the law… Heavy on the enforcement of Order (as they see it).
There are other polls by Republicans that said wokeness is their top priority. I’m not sure what one poll does for this narrative. I’m not entirely convinced Republicans aren’t really about pursuing wokeness as much anymore.
I think DeSantis made have hurt that movement a little by being an incompetent moron.
I think trying to figure out their actual top priority is a fool’s errand, because they have no idea. Seriously, I don’t think today’s Republican rank and file has a firm enough grasp on reality and the issues of today to have the first clue what they actually believe about anything beyond “Trump good” and “Democrats bad.”
It’s not even “Republicans good” anymore, because being solidly conservative, but disliking Trump, is enough to get one ousted from the party as a RINO now. The only true defining characteristic of a “Republican” today is worship of Trump.
Just from my anecdotal experience with painfully stupid family members, it seems like the most important issue to them at any given moment is whatever the Facebook algorithm is pushing at the time. Whoever has that wrangled is really driving the narrative. They spend all their free time plugged in to Facebook seething over their perceived political enemies. Besides the fact that they’re stupid as shit, it’s pathetic and sad.
If somebody can debate their political viewpoints with me, that instantly earns them some respect points. I’m just tired of some people defining their political views as just being against other views
I’ve attempted to discuss my political views to people, but it seems more often than not that as soon as I identify myself as conservative, I get shut down. This is despite the fact that more often than not, I vote democrat, support abortion, support legalized weed, want LGBT rights, a complete reorganization of the legal system, and an actual working social safety net. But I believe the federal government is too big, states should decide more for themselves and businesses and corporations are NOT people.
Yep. When I encounter the rare Republican who can actually fully articulate a stance on an actual political issue, it’s always a pleasant shock.
I upvoted you in a “well yes, but actually no” sort of way. Republicans know exactly what they want – subjugation of everybody who’s not them, using any and all means available – but still don’t feel secure enough in their power to come out say it that bluntly yet. So they come up with random shit to act as euphemistic proxies for it, which sounds like ineptitude to anybody who’s still trying to give them some sort of benefit of the doubt.
Fair. Although I’d say that applies more to the mid-tier and up Republicans. The rank-and-file Fox News watchers don’t know what they believe unless Fox told them five seconds ago.
Nah, even the rank-and-file know they want to subjugate everybody outside their tribe. They may not necessarily understand how the things the leadership pushes accomplish that – and more to the point, they might not even realize they’re actually often not in the tribe the leaders are pushing it for – but they don’t need to because they have blind faith instead. Deference to authority is what being a conservative is.
Can the media please co-opt the term “law and order” and use it for all Trump indictment stories.
The media is not going to undermine the billionaire class by helping to dilute its dogwhistles. The media is on the side of the billionaire class.
That’s basically their platform now.
I think he got a big ego boost and has just made dumb move after dumb move since.
He tried to fight Disney. Like… How much cocaine do you need to be on to think you can win a legal battle against Disney.
Disney eats lawsuits for breakfast.
I hate both Disney and I hate DeSantis. And I hate frivolous lawsuits and useless fights for political points, but…
There is something inherently wrong with governments not being able to control megacorporations.
Controlling actions that cause negative externalities for consumers and citizens I could see but this is about the government punishing them for publishing speech that opposes his agenda.
Fair point.
On one hand full agreement, on the other hand there’s also something fundamentally wrong with state governments attempting to force mega corporations to do something in a different state without compelling reason purely by accounts of holding a large investment in their state.
Florida can ban things in Florida all they want within the confines of law and liberty (which they’ve long past left but that’s a different thing). But they were trying to force the whole of a company headquartered in California to stop being “woke” through punitive actions by nature of them holding a significant real investment in Florida that would be economically disastrous for both parties if it were sold off or abandoned.
It depends on what you mean by control. Can you state exactly what a Florida politician should have been legally allowed to do for the great crime of the CEO saying they disagree with them?
I have zero problems with regulations and taxes I have problems with a company or a person being censored for stating their opinion. If you look at everything he is doing it is all about them being broken to support him.
DeSantis vs Disney is like watching two kaiju monsters fight: both are monsters, but one is kinda fun since you’ve known then since childhood. But they’re still monsters, so no matter who wins, it’s a net good that they’re fighting.
You can remove the word “seems” from your comment. Meatball Ron is an absolute buffoon. He wants to spread his terrible hatred across the US as fast as possible, if he holds office. If there’s any doubt, look at some of the recent legislation being signed in Florida
Ol puddin’ fingers
I don’t think he’s doing well even with the GOP, I doubt he’s anyone’s hope