This has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with controlling access to data gathering tools. I don’t think either nation has the best interests of the people in mind, but don’t strawman this. Is very easy to criticize the actual thing that’s happening.
This is in the process of trying to fire up another Yellow Peril. Access to data and profit might be the driving factors, but so is creating a new enemy class to scapegoat. Just look at how the media talks about China and how anti-Asian hate has been rising in recent years. Of course race is a factor because you need race to create a racial enemy.
It’s about power, not about race. International politics is always about power. I don’t get how some people don’t understand that. You’re right that many people are creating a scapegoat out of China, but (the intelligent and influential ones) aren’t doing it out of racism. It might be racist, but they don’t buy it, they’re only selling it. It’s about solidifying power and controlling means and methods. That’s always the case for governments, no matter when or where.
Power and racism are inextricably bound together when it’s the Americans doing things. This isn’t even about maintaining hard power; this is just about keeping the inhabitants of the Western world from seeing how the elites make the sausage.
This isn’t even about maintaining hard power; this is just about keeping the inhabitants of the Western world from seeing how the elites make the sausage.
It’s about soft power. I don’t think it has to do with people of the western world seeing what’s being done either (they don’t and won’t if TikTok is the thing they’re using). It’s just about gathering data and also having control over a service that could be used to influence people. It wouldn’t matter if it’s China or Russia (mostly white) in control of it.
Power and racism are inextricably bound together when it’s the Americans doing things.
Is it? Many people saw through the racism of slavery and yet still used it, because racism was an excuse, not a reason. Usually racism is an excuse. It’s something that’s easily sold to the masses, and for some reason people still buy it, and people like you buy that that’s still the reason and not seeing what’s really being played. Sure, there are a lot of racist people, but even that is only because some people use it to gain power. Racism has the same purpose as religion. It’s a method of control, by defining “the enemy”. Usually if anyone is defining an enemy it’s a form of control for that matter. There are plenty of bad people, but it’s hard to say any group is bad by default. There are bad systems though.
I don’t think it has to do with people of the western world seeing what’s being done either (they don’t and won’t if TikTok is the thing they’re using).
Tiktok is literally how my nieces, nephews, and their peer groups have been learning about American malfeasance, but sure, they’re TOTALLY not seeing anything.
It’s just about gathering data and also having control over a service that could be used to influence people. It wouldn’t matter if it’s China or Russia (mostly white) in control of it.
Bull, if it was ‘just about gathering data’ they’d go after Zuck and Musk too. (And no, the wrist-slappings they’ve ‘endured’ thus far don’t count, Meta and Twitter bans have NEVER been floated, OR sailed through Congress as easily as this proposed Tiktok ban has.) Further, if Russia were considered ‘mostly white’, NATO wouldn’t be trying to encircle and exterminate them. Try again.
Is it? Many people saw through the racism of slavery and yet still used it, because racism was an excuse, not a reason.
Further bull, America’s done everything in its power to keep forms of slavery in play; specifically pipelining the minorities they used to keep as chattel into prison slavery instead. It’s always maintenance of an Anglo status quo. Don’t try again here; I know you’re not going to go look up the Fourteenth Amendment to see how the Anglos have historically played with legalese to maintain unjust systems.
There are plenty of bad people, but it’s hard to say any group is bad by default.
Four hundred years of slavery, genocide, resource extraction, ignorance of sovereignty, rank and blatant funding of terrorism, and extrajudicial murder says what now? Tell your handler I said hi.
America already controls Tiktok’s data via Oracle server farms in Virginia, so that automatically doesn’t track; make it make sense. Why is there a need to ban them that DOESN’T boil down to the usual anglo pearlclutching trying to start new Yellow Perils and Red Scares? And why haven’t Twitter, Meta, Instagram, or Trust Social been banned yet? Make. It. Make. Sense.
I’m from the EU, where there’s laws in place for some industries to put EU user data exclusively on servers that are in the EU. I’m assuming that the US doesn’t have that kind of law applying to TikTok, and that the US servers are an infrastructure decision by Tiktok’s owner company. If I’m right, then that’s your answer. If I’m wrong then they really don’t need to ban them.
For the record, please keep in mind that I’m not defending any party here. I’m very aware of post cold war yellow/red scare stories, I just don’t see how this inevitably has to be the consequence of one.
Sure, but they’d do it with Russia too, and they’re “the same race”. It has nothing to do with race. Race is just a convenient way to criticize the US here without examining the actual issue. China has their own ecosystem for fucks sake. If any nation is being racist it’s them, but it’s not because of race that they have that.
China has their own ecosystem for fucks sake. If any nation is being racist it’s them
“WAH THEY WON’T LET US PILLAGE THEIR ECONOMY THE WAY WE PILLAGED AFRICA” do you fucking hear yourself lmfao. You fixate on this “they’re not in our ecosystem” horseshit and it’s really just starting to sound like you’re mad you don’t get to consoom their produce too, mad that your straw just can’t reach far enough into their milkshake for you to Daniel Day-Lewis it.
And before you try to get cute about me “debating”, nope, now I’m just dragging you for filth due to your absolute blatancy. Your words are hot air and confident ignorance; there’s nothing worth debating in you.
I’m not complaining about them having their ecosystem. I’m pointing out that they do, and they enforce it. Any complaint about the US doing the same should be met with equal criticism of China doing the same thing except even harsher. I don’t really care that they have that, but I also don’t care that the US is forcing this. You people who came here are the ones saying it’s wrong, but it’s wrong because it’s the US and China is fine.
This has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with controlling access to data gathering tools. I don’t think either nation has the best interests of the people in mind, but don’t strawman this. Is very easy to criticize the actual thing that’s happening.
This is in the process of trying to fire up another Yellow Peril. Access to data and profit might be the driving factors, but so is creating a new enemy class to scapegoat. Just look at how the media talks about China and how anti-Asian hate has been rising in recent years. Of course race is a factor because you need race to create a racial enemy.
It’s about power, not about race. International politics is always about power. I don’t get how some people don’t understand that. You’re right that many people are creating a scapegoat out of China, but (the intelligent and influential ones) aren’t doing it out of racism. It might be racist, but they don’t buy it, they’re only selling it. It’s about solidifying power and controlling means and methods. That’s always the case for governments, no matter when or where.
Power and racism are inextricably bound together when it’s the Americans doing things. This isn’t even about maintaining hard power; this is just about keeping the inhabitants of the Western world from seeing how the elites make the sausage.
It’s about soft power. I don’t think it has to do with people of the western world seeing what’s being done either (they don’t and won’t if TikTok is the thing they’re using). It’s just about gathering data and also having control over a service that could be used to influence people. It wouldn’t matter if it’s China or Russia (mostly white) in control of it.
Is it? Many people saw through the racism of slavery and yet still used it, because racism was an excuse, not a reason. Usually racism is an excuse. It’s something that’s easily sold to the masses, and for some reason people still buy it, and people like you buy that that’s still the reason and not seeing what’s really being played. Sure, there are a lot of racist people, but even that is only because some people use it to gain power. Racism has the same purpose as religion. It’s a method of control, by defining “the enemy”. Usually if anyone is defining an enemy it’s a form of control for that matter. There are plenty of bad people, but it’s hard to say any group is bad by default. There are bad systems though.
Tiktok is literally how my nieces, nephews, and their peer groups have been learning about American malfeasance, but sure, they’re TOTALLY not seeing anything.
Bull, if it was ‘just about gathering data’ they’d go after Zuck and Musk too. (And no, the wrist-slappings they’ve ‘endured’ thus far don’t count, Meta and Twitter bans have NEVER been floated, OR sailed through Congress as easily as this proposed Tiktok ban has.) Further, if Russia were considered ‘mostly white’, NATO wouldn’t be trying to encircle and exterminate them. Try again.
Further bull, America’s done everything in its power to keep forms of slavery in play; specifically pipelining the minorities they used to keep as chattel into prison slavery instead. It’s always maintenance of an Anglo status quo. Don’t try again here; I know you’re not going to go look up the Fourteenth Amendment to see how the Anglos have historically played with legalese to maintain unjust systems.
Four hundred years of slavery, genocide, resource extraction, ignorance of sovereignty, rank and blatant funding of terrorism, and extrajudicial murder says what now? Tell your handler I said hi.
They already have control over Xitter and Facebook/Instagram.
America already controls Tiktok’s data via Oracle server farms in Virginia, so that automatically doesn’t track; make it make sense. Why is there a need to ban them that DOESN’T boil down to the usual anglo pearlclutching trying to start new Yellow Perils and Red Scares? And why haven’t Twitter, Meta, Instagram, or Trust Social been banned yet? Make. It. Make. Sense.
I’m from the EU, where there’s laws in place for some industries to put EU user data exclusively on servers that are in the EU. I’m assuming that the US doesn’t have that kind of law applying to TikTok, and that the US servers are an infrastructure decision by Tiktok’s owner company. If I’m right, then that’s your answer. If I’m wrong then they really don’t need to ban them.
For the record, please keep in mind that I’m not defending any party here. I’m very aware of post cold war yellow/red scare stories, I just don’t see how this inevitably has to be the consequence of one.
Racism is an action word. Not “believing” in it is (quite literally) immaterial. If you do a racist action, you’re a racist.
Sure, but they’d do it with Russia too, and they’re “the same race”. It has nothing to do with race. Race is just a convenient way to criticize the US here without examining the actual issue. China has their own ecosystem for fucks sake. If any nation is being racist it’s them, but it’s not because of race that they have that.
“WAH THEY WON’T LET US PILLAGE THEIR ECONOMY THE WAY WE PILLAGED AFRICA” do you fucking hear yourself lmfao. You fixate on this “they’re not in our ecosystem” horseshit and it’s really just starting to sound like you’re mad you don’t get to consoom their produce too, mad that your straw just can’t reach far enough into their milkshake for you to Daniel Day-Lewis it.
And before you try to get cute about me “debating”, nope, now I’m just dragging you for filth due to your absolute blatancy. Your words are hot air and confident ignorance; there’s nothing worth debating in you.
I’m not complaining about them having their ecosystem. I’m pointing out that they do, and they enforce it. Any complaint about the US doing the same should be met with equal criticism of China doing the same thing except even harsher. I don’t really care that they have that, but I also don’t care that the US is forcing this. You people who came here are the ones saying it’s wrong, but it’s wrong because it’s the US and China is fine.
If TikTok was owned by a German or English corporation, would it be facing this kind of scrutiny? Of fucking course not, don’t be dense.
No, because they’d share the information with the US. Just like China doesn’t allow US corporations into China. Don’t be dense.