Early trends for Millenials and young Gen X has them not getting more conservative as they are aging, or at least substantially less so than older generations.
I know this might not be relevant, but American obsession with dryers seems so weird to me lmao. I live in Germany and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a dryer, even at my rich friends parents house, and them mafakers had a sauna in the basement. Just kinda interesting how they are completely culturally irrelevant in one country, and considered almost a basic necessity in another.
In my part of Canada without a dryer you’d have damp, moldy clothes 9 months a year. I could hang them up inside to dry but I’d be running a dehumidifier beside them. We lived without a dryer for several years but it made laundry an extra pain in the ass and drying was always the bottleneck. No problem in the summer months with the clothesline.
I believe it’s because there’s no reasonable conservative option. There’s nobody even pitching “fiscal responsibility” or “small government” anymore. You’ve gotta drink the Kool aid and support The Donald or you’re a liberal cuck. There’s no room for being just right-leaning; you’ve gotta go all in.
Gen Xer here, I’ve never seen a republican led federal government that ever actually acted fiscally conservative. Being fiscally conservative and small government has always meant cut social programs and cut taxes but never cut spending to one of the biggest cost centers in the government, the military. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about cutting taxes and ballooning the deficit. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about starting two wars and essentially putting them on credit cards. The American people only put up with them for so long because the only ones who had to sacrifice for them were those that died or came back maimed. If we had to pay for them with higher taxes instead of passing the bill to the next few generations, those wars would never have even happened.
That’s a good theory, as a lot of the people we see joining up for the right are usually either doing it out of spite/ironically (and eventually having the “be careful what you pretend to be” moment where it stops being ironic) or they’ve been grown and raised around these worldviews.
Wealth yes, but the age thing might be a myth. It turns out that people solidify their political leanings during major movements. The older generation just happen to be affected by Reaganism and Nixons southern strategy.
The most conservative leaning generation are not boomers or silver generation, but apparently Gen X.
There also seems to be a bit of weirdness even surrounding what “conservative” means.
It used to mean an intent toward preservation of certain existing institutions/trends and preexisting stability, with a distrust for new institutions that may upset existing social calm. Which often is at odds with beneficial change but isn’t inherently against it, favoring instead that it be slow and precise. When I think of myself as conservative that’s the concept I have.
The problem is that “conservative” now can also include a group of people for which preserving an existing state (as in condition/mode of being ) is no longer acceptable, the demand either a reverse or entirely new directions.
As an example that’s a little less hot button - vouchers for private schools. That’s an active novelty and a change from an existing institution, rife with potential long-term impacts on both culture and stability that could be negative, and yet some positions push for it (often without addressing those problems). That’s not a conservative position. That’s a progressive one (maybe not in the direction someone on the left would want obviously).
Conservative got irrevocably linked with Right due to some preexisting social constructs and the urge to preserve them, but realistically it should hold just as well that a conservative would seek to preserve left-wing establishments as much as right-wing ones, or at least advise any changes to them be slow and incremental to avoid pop-up problems. Admittedly things like technology complicate that due to the speed with which it changes and demands response.
If you cannot understand how conservatism would LOVE to conserve the racism and rapant capitalism of the US… You might not actually understand what “conservatives” actually want to conserve…
It’s the social order of things where they’re on top. They’ve literally always been supremacists. Just not necessarily openly bigoted ones.
While I bet there’s exceptions what has been the general trend for conservative is that they are pleased with the status quo. They are on top and therefore don’t want things to change. When you’re not satisfied you tend to not be as patient. It also help to lack empathy for people not as lucky. Considering that you, commendably, can see the need for change you obviously belong to a different group.
What is new is that the once who call themselves conservative now instead strive to change things due to a lack of control. They want to go back to the point where they feel they had control, power, and privilege over others.
And when a group of people who lacks empathy want to take back power it can get dangerous very fast. Suck as January 6:th…
Yeah, that sounds wrong to me, too. Gen X are the ones who grew up with the effects of Reaganomics and witnessed first-hand the wealth disparity it created.
Pew and a few others are really trying to get away from generational studies as it turns out only the Boomers really have anything unique that ties together the experiences of someone born across the generation. Im wondering how this new perspective would impact previous studies.
That polling you linked to looks pretty convincing actually. I might have to change my mind.
I’ve seen the claim said a few times, here is the nytimes and there are many other sources discussing it (e.g. this Slate article and this Politico article, etc.). It also makes sense to me: Look at the January 6th insurrectionists. They aren’t young, but they aren’t boomers either. It was dominated by Gen X. Gen X got all the benefits of a social safety net, like cheap university, they got in on affordable housing, but also grew up at a time when even the “left” was represented by hyper capitalist Clinton. They didn’t have a Civil Rights movement, or Bernie Sanders movement.
So I’m willing to change my mind, but I also find it plausible.
I think it’s important to remember that the January 6th insurrection wasn’t representative across any demographics except extremely conservative Republicans and conspiracy theorists. Since generational analysis is already inherently problematic and inexact, I’d hesitate to make blanket statements about the entire age group based on a sample like that.
It may be reasonable to say that in general, people in the age groups often lumped together in “Gen X” are statistically more likely to be conservative than younger people, but that’s about as far as I’d be willing to go.
And the relatively low numbers of boomers at the insurrection may be explained more by their age than anything else. The absolute youngest boomers are turning 60 in the next year. The oldest are almost 80. Going and beating up Capitol police, scaling fences, and breaking into Congress may just be physically too demanding for most of them.
Wealth makes people more likely to be conservative, as does age.
The poor young man who recorded Fuck tha Police is a very different person to the multi-millionaire media star being interviewed on Fox.
Early trends for Millenials and young Gen X has them not getting more conservative as they are aging, or at least substantially less so than older generations.
Because they don’t have the same generational wealth.
Fuck we don’t even have wealth…
And they are on the whole less racist than generations before them.
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I know this might not be relevant, but American obsession with dryers seems so weird to me lmao. I live in Germany and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a dryer, even at my rich friends parents house, and them mafakers had a sauna in the basement. Just kinda interesting how they are completely culturally irrelevant in one country, and considered almost a basic necessity in another.
In my part of Canada without a dryer you’d have damp, moldy clothes 9 months a year. I could hang them up inside to dry but I’d be running a dehumidifier beside them. We lived without a dryer for several years but it made laundry an extra pain in the ass and drying was always the bottleneck. No problem in the summer months with the clothesline.
Yeah, I kinda suspected they were very useful/necessary in some parts and just spread to the rest because people move around a lot
They are also, in the scheme of things, a very cheap and easy to install appliance (typically directly next to or on top the washer).
Hey! Niiice!
So then wealth, not age, makes you conservative.
I believe it’s because there’s no reasonable conservative option. There’s nobody even pitching “fiscal responsibility” or “small government” anymore. You’ve gotta drink the Kool aid and support The Donald or you’re a liberal cuck. There’s no room for being just right-leaning; you’ve gotta go all in.
Gen Xer here, I’ve never seen a republican led federal government that ever actually acted fiscally conservative. Being fiscally conservative and small government has always meant cut social programs and cut taxes but never cut spending to one of the biggest cost centers in the government, the military. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about cutting taxes and ballooning the deficit. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about starting two wars and essentially putting them on credit cards. The American people only put up with them for so long because the only ones who had to sacrifice for them were those that died or came back maimed. If we had to pay for them with higher taxes instead of passing the bill to the next few generations, those wars would never have even happened.
That’s a good theory, as a lot of the people we see joining up for the right are usually either doing it out of spite/ironically (and eventually having the “be careful what you pretend to be” moment where it stops being ironic) or they’ve been grown and raised around these worldviews.
Wealth yes, but the age thing might be a myth. It turns out that people solidify their political leanings during major movements. The older generation just happen to be affected by Reaganism and Nixons southern strategy.
The most conservative leaning generation are not boomers or silver generation, but apparently Gen X.
Edit: I posted some sources in replies below.
There also seems to be a bit of weirdness even surrounding what “conservative” means. It used to mean an intent toward preservation of certain existing institutions/trends and preexisting stability, with a distrust for new institutions that may upset existing social calm. Which often is at odds with beneficial change but isn’t inherently against it, favoring instead that it be slow and precise. When I think of myself as conservative that’s the concept I have.
The problem is that “conservative” now can also include a group of people for which preserving an existing state (as in condition/mode of being ) is no longer acceptable, the demand either a reverse or entirely new directions.
As an example that’s a little less hot button - vouchers for private schools. That’s an active novelty and a change from an existing institution, rife with potential long-term impacts on both culture and stability that could be negative, and yet some positions push for it (often without addressing those problems). That’s not a conservative position. That’s a progressive one (maybe not in the direction someone on the left would want obviously).
Conservative got irrevocably linked with Right due to some preexisting social constructs and the urge to preserve them, but realistically it should hold just as well that a conservative would seek to preserve left-wing establishments as much as right-wing ones, or at least advise any changes to them be slow and incremental to avoid pop-up problems. Admittedly things like technology complicate that due to the speed with which it changes and demands response.
If you cannot understand how conservatism would LOVE to conserve the racism and rapant capitalism of the US… You might not actually understand what “conservatives” actually want to conserve…
It’s the social order of things where they’re on top. They’ve literally always been supremacists. Just not necessarily openly bigoted ones.
While I bet there’s exceptions what has been the general trend for conservative is that they are pleased with the status quo. They are on top and therefore don’t want things to change. When you’re not satisfied you tend to not be as patient. It also help to lack empathy for people not as lucky. Considering that you, commendably, can see the need for change you obviously belong to a different group.
What is new is that the once who call themselves conservative now instead strive to change things due to a lack of control. They want to go back to the point where they feel they had control, power, and privilege over others.
And when a group of people who lacks empathy want to take back power it can get dangerous very fast. Suck as January 6:th…
Source on the claim that Gen X is the most conservative?
Yeah, that sounds wrong to me, too. Gen X are the ones who grew up with the effects of Reaganomics and witnessed first-hand the wealth disparity it created.
This is from 2018, but I seriously doubt attitudes towards Trump and Republicans have shifted to the right that much in the last five years: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/22/how-pew-research-center-will-report-on-generations-moving-forward/
Pew and a few others are really trying to get away from generational studies as it turns out only the Boomers really have anything unique that ties together the experiences of someone born across the generation. Im wondering how this new perspective would impact previous studies.
That’s really fascinating, and I deeply respect them for recognizing the problem.
Yeah this is really interesting and could really change how we engage with social science in the future.
That polling you linked to looks pretty convincing actually. I might have to change my mind.
I’ve seen the claim said a few times, here is the nytimes and there are many other sources discussing it (e.g. this Slate article and this Politico article, etc.). It also makes sense to me: Look at the January 6th insurrectionists. They aren’t young, but they aren’t boomers either. It was dominated by Gen X. Gen X got all the benefits of a social safety net, like cheap university, they got in on affordable housing, but also grew up at a time when even the “left” was represented by hyper capitalist Clinton. They didn’t have a Civil Rights movement, or Bernie Sanders movement.
So I’m willing to change my mind, but I also find it plausible.
I think it’s important to remember that the January 6th insurrection wasn’t representative across any demographics except extremely conservative Republicans and conspiracy theorists. Since generational analysis is already inherently problematic and inexact, I’d hesitate to make blanket statements about the entire age group based on a sample like that.
It may be reasonable to say that in general, people in the age groups often lumped together in “Gen X” are statistically more likely to be conservative than younger people, but that’s about as far as I’d be willing to go.
And the relatively low numbers of boomers at the insurrection may be explained more by their age than anything else. The absolute youngest boomers are turning 60 in the next year. The oldest are almost 80. Going and beating up Capitol police, scaling fences, and breaking into Congress may just be physically too demanding for most of them.
I’ve read this many times, and heard it discussed on Five Thirty Eight. On a quick search, here’s one Politico article discussing it.
That was my first though.
breaking news: impossibly wealthy people vote for tax cuts and reduction in social services
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