I’ll agree that Andrew Jackson is probably still worse than Trump for literally committing genocide against the native peoples who were forced from their ancestral land. That being said, Trump disrespecting the peaceful transference of power for the first time in the nation’s history is a massive blemish on our country, and he should not be remembered fondly by anybody.
This is a huge problem. Everyone just jokes about it because he failed miserably, but it literally would’ve been a coup on the White House of the United States if those idiots succeeded.
The officers that mislead some of the raiders did an amazing job. And they are heroes, but that wouldn’t have mattered anything if Trump had had some sort of lieutenant leading the group.
All that those raiders lacked was a leader telling them to kill the politicians and senators in the Senate building and there may not have been any survivors.
I remember seeing the videos and all of the pictures were they’re just sitting around and exploring, kicking their feet up in a senator’s chair and stopping for photo ops.
They didn’t know what to do once they got there, and that was the primary thing that saved us, however, if we keep relying on the stupidity of evil to save us then eventually there’s going to be a smart evil person who fucks us over hard.
That’s stupid. It’s not that any 10 people out of the world could have stopped it, it’s that only those 10 people could have stopped it and we’re damn lucky they did so.
You can also add in the fact that Trump’s downplaying of COVID, and subsequent politicizing of prevention measures was unquestionably responsible for huge numbers of deaths.
Reports state that 40% less Americans would die, if he didn’t politicize it.
Frankly, if he took it as seriously as other presidents (on both sides) did with other epidemics and sent experts to help contain it. It is possible that we could talk about it as yet another media scare.
Andrew Johnson was pretty terrible as well, conceded a lot during reconstruction to the southern land owners which had a lasting negative impact on so many. Coolidge and Truman were pretty terrible as well, and Taft is like low hanging fruit. Nixon wasn’t that bad in office relatively speaking but is only known for Watergate now.
The last 3 scheduled missions there was no telling what could have happened next. He was also presented with a solid plan to go to Mars within a decade and took a pass on it for tax cuts for the rich.
As for public opinion polls please cite sources and good luck with that since polls were no where collected as frequently. The truth is within a few months of Apollo 11 he has already taken down the earth rising photo from the Oval office and he had tried to cancel the program completely when he took office but his hand was forced by Apollo 9.
He tried to kill it fully and failed, out of spite he killed it when he could. Nixon never forgave anyone, he had an enemy list, he went after almost small town journalists who wrote slightly bad about him multiple years prior. For him to sit there and just allow the legacy of a man who beat him to continue would have torn him apart. Like everyone GOP leader since, he breaks what he could have never hoped to have built or even inspired.
The smart thing would have been to continue the program with more ambitious missions on the surface. All the rocket people could have been redirected to start working on small reusable rockets instead of the space plane. The mission to Mars had too much project risk so hold off on that for a while.
I think the worst things about Nixon was his role implementing American foreign policy when it came to anti-communism and his “drug war” policies. The best could be the things he didn’t personally care about as much, he started the first affirmative action program, was too slow with desegregation but did support civil rights and the overall moral goal of it, and he implemented some tax cuts that benefitted working class.
Apollo would be a more minor bad for me, it didn’t really do much to benefit average people other than serve as a symbol of America’s power and the next frontier. I think there’s a lot of nostalgia for some of these programs today but they were always sort of funded to be demonstrations of America’s power, if the Soviets weren’t interested in space they probably wouldn’t have happened. A byproduct of Apollo was public funding of technology which is great, but a lot of that also benefits the military industrial complex and America’s imperialism, so it’s not this happy story that it’s often portrayed as like “we have small computers because of Apollo!”
We’re talking about people who are narcissists and psychopaths running an empire though, they’re all evil.
To be fair, I don’t think Trump would do any differently.
Trump was willing to destroy his own country and get his own people fucked in the process. What thought do you think he’d spare for civilisations he’d consider ‘others’?
It is easier to talk like that, because his election stunt didn’t succeeded, but US (as it was created by founding fathers) almost ceased to exist. Also, don’t forget that he had his own share in people’s deaths.
As a person living in an allied state of the US: It did cease to exist as a stable partner. The US is currently an incredibly unstable powder keg, and as sad as it is, we have to start splitting off and dealing with you as a potential enemy nation until you guys have this Trump shit under control.
It’s not possible to have a stable partnership if the people who try to overthrow the government can once again run for government.
Worse than the guy who got hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed in an unjustified war? Or the guy that started the trail of tears?
I’ll agree that Andrew Jackson is probably still worse than Trump for literally committing genocide against the native peoples who were forced from their ancestral land. That being said, Trump disrespecting the peaceful transference of power for the first time in the nation’s history is a massive blemish on our country, and he should not be remembered fondly by anybody.
It’s not just a “blemish”, imagine if he had succeeded.
Don’t let your guard down just because it failed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
This is a huge problem. Everyone just jokes about it because he failed miserably, but it literally would’ve been a coup on the White House of the United States if those idiots succeeded.
He didn’t fail miserably, he failed barely. The bravery of just a few people saved our democracy.
The officers that mislead some of the raiders did an amazing job. And they are heroes, but that wouldn’t have mattered anything if Trump had had some sort of lieutenant leading the group.
All that those raiders lacked was a leader telling them to kill the politicians and senators in the Senate building and there may not have been any survivors.
I remember seeing the videos and all of the pictures were they’re just sitting around and exploring, kicking their feet up in a senator’s chair and stopping for photo ops.
They didn’t know what to do once they got there, and that was the primary thing that saved us, however, if we keep relying on the stupidity of evil to save us then eventually there’s going to be a smart evil person who fucks us over hard.
Yeah and if just a few people thwarted your insurrection on an entire government then your coup failed miserably.
That’s stupid. It’s not that any 10 people out of the world could have stopped it, it’s that only those 10 people could have stopped it and we’re damn lucky they did so.
You can also add in the fact that Trump’s downplaying of COVID, and subsequent politicizing of prevention measures was unquestionably responsible for huge numbers of deaths.
Reports state that 40% less Americans would die, if he didn’t politicize it.
Frankly, if he took it as seriously as other presidents (on both sides) did with other epidemics and sent experts to help contain it. It is possible that we could talk about it as yet another media scare.
Andrew Johnson was pretty terrible as well, conceded a lot during reconstruction to the southern land owners which had a lasting negative impact on so many. Coolidge and Truman were pretty terrible as well, and Taft is like low hanging fruit. Nixon wasn’t that bad in office relatively speaking but is only known for Watergate now.
Nixon cancelled Apollo
The last 3 missions, but public opinion had turned at that point.
I’m not defending Nixon at all, but I don’t know if any other POTUS wouldn’t have done the same.
The last 3 scheduled missions there was no telling what could have happened next. He was also presented with a solid plan to go to Mars within a decade and took a pass on it for tax cuts for the rich.
As for public opinion polls please cite sources and good luck with that since polls were no where collected as frequently. The truth is within a few months of Apollo 11 he has already taken down the earth rising photo from the Oval office and he had tried to cancel the program completely when he took office but his hand was forced by Apollo 9.
He tried to kill it fully and failed, out of spite he killed it when he could. Nixon never forgave anyone, he had an enemy list, he went after almost small town journalists who wrote slightly bad about him multiple years prior. For him to sit there and just allow the legacy of a man who beat him to continue would have torn him apart. Like everyone GOP leader since, he breaks what he could have never hoped to have built or even inspired.
The smart thing would have been to continue the program with more ambitious missions on the surface. All the rocket people could have been redirected to start working on small reusable rockets instead of the space plane. The mission to Mars had too much project risk so hold off on that for a while.
Fuck Nixon
I think the worst things about Nixon was his role implementing American foreign policy when it came to anti-communism and his “drug war” policies. The best could be the things he didn’t personally care about as much, he started the first affirmative action program, was too slow with desegregation but did support civil rights and the overall moral goal of it, and he implemented some tax cuts that benefitted working class.
Apollo would be a more minor bad for me, it didn’t really do much to benefit average people other than serve as a symbol of America’s power and the next frontier. I think there’s a lot of nostalgia for some of these programs today but they were always sort of funded to be demonstrations of America’s power, if the Soviets weren’t interested in space they probably wouldn’t have happened. A byproduct of Apollo was public funding of technology which is great, but a lot of that also benefits the military industrial complex and America’s imperialism, so it’s not this happy story that it’s often portrayed as like “we have small computers because of Apollo!”
We’re talking about people who are narcissists and psychopaths running an empire though, they’re all evil.
Taft is just low-hanging fruit because of how much weight he puts on the branch.
I mean, at least Jackson accomplished some good for America.
The best thing Trump did in his entire term for America was undoing one of the other bad things that he had done.
The guy is at best a bumbling oaf given a billion dollars and an ego to match.
Yes
Correct.
Thanks for the history lesson.
Still treason
To be fair, I don’t think Trump would do any differently.
Trump was willing to destroy his own country and get his own people fucked in the process. What thought do you think he’d spare for civilisations he’d consider ‘others’?
A Million Americans died from an inept and purposefully sandbagged COVID pandemic response, so … worse, by ordinates
It is easier to talk like that, because his election stunt didn’t succeeded, but US (as it was created by founding fathers) almost ceased to exist. Also, don’t forget that he had his own share in people’s deaths.
As a person living in an allied state of the US: It did cease to exist as a stable partner. The US is currently an incredibly unstable powder keg, and as sad as it is, we have to start splitting off and dealing with you as a potential enemy nation until you guys have this Trump shit under control.
It’s not possible to have a stable partnership if the people who try to overthrow the government can once again run for government.
Yes