To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven’t been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.
The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don’t know if I’d be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don’t believe I could reliably spot fascism, I’m not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.
This isn’t a discussion of “just be a good person”. I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they’re doing the right thing.
This whole idea of “I can’t say is reliably avoid fascism” is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.
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It’s not like we can even blame it on the fire hose of misinformation the Trump campaign will never be able to stop themselves from shitting out
Trump has already been president. He failed so hard that he lost by over 7 million votes after just 4 years and 2 impeachments while in office.
Then he was found liable for rape and had to pay millions, then he was convicted on 34 felony counts of fraud, and still he was still on the hook for federal indictments for his attempt to overthrow the government in 2020 in which not only did many participants serve prison time for, some died in the process of it. Many of Trump’s own officers were also convicted. Giuliani has been sued into bankruptcy and has been disbarred for what Trump asked him to do.
Yeah. That seems like a good idea to give that guy power again. /s
Trump objectively represents the worst that America has to offer to itself and the world.
He lied his ass off to get his first term, no one learned from that.
I genuinely felt sorry for his victims that first time.
Then he lied his ass off for a 2nd term.
This time, I feel like people deserve what they get this time.
To me, they’re just as culpable as Trump this time. Every horrible thing that happens this time have zero hesitation to remind people that they voted for it.
Genocide Joe & Kamala Cheney are why Trump got re-elected a 2nd term. That and the annoying blue MAGA that thought genocide was perfectly acceptable when trying to beat a fascist in an election. This is their fault.
“The left turned me into a fascist waah”
Put a sock in it already. As bad as you may find the Democrats, they are nowhere near magat level insanity.
Genocide supporters like you have no leg to stand on when it comes to calling others fascists.
Not trying to start an argument, just trying to make a point because I’ve been seeing “Genocide Joe & Kamala Cheney” around a lot lately.
What makes you immune to the propaganda? When I see name calling and throwing blame, it’s the exact same shit we see from Republicans. It just seems childish when we could have had actual debates. I’m not saying Kamala did a good job. She was a trash candidate.
And I’m saying this not to be a dick, honestly. I’m just saying maybe you’ve been drinking the Kool-Aid this whole time. The only difference is that it’s blue raspberry instead of cherry. Maybe give that a thought the next time you call a single dad struggling to buy food for his kids a fascist to his face. Because that’s the easiest way to get them to do the exact opposite of what you want.
That would be because Biden and Harris aided and abetted a genocide for the last 15 months.
Not denying that. But at the same time I’m pretty sure every president since Bill Clinton would have done the exact same thing because they’re all a bunch of cowards. And things will only get worse under Trump. The only candidate that would have taken action is someone like Bernie Sanders. Like him or not, at least he’s not a fucking coward. I understand the need to protest, but refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is basically just a vote for the more evil choice.
I think the expectation that a candidate should do everything you want them too is just naive. From the most mundane of policies to literal war crimes. Innocent people are getting killed on a daily basis over there and the fact that both candidates didn’t seem to give a shit is disgusting. And I know it’s a fucked up situation and it’s a fucked up choice to even make, but it was our choice to make and we fucked it up. We can blame the candidates all we want, but at the end of the day it was our choice to vote for who we wanted to vote for. And the result of that was fucking Trump.
I’d love to hear your thoughts about how the genocide in Gaza was all made up
They literally didn’t say that
Y’know, it’s a lot easier to have a conversation when you don’t put words in the other person’s mouth.
Had a long winded comment written out but decided against sending it because like I said, I’m not trying to start an argument. I’m just trying to raise some points.
But just so you know I don’t think the genocide in Gaza is made up. And i think its fucked up that the US decided it doesn’t matter because Israel is our ally. But at the end of the day I’d vote against fascism any day of the week. Because that’s how you get even more genocide. And an abstained vote is a vote for your enemy.
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Yeah you’re just not working with facts. Kamala lost because she didn’t break with Biden on Gaza:
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll
So why you do the typical… “Genocide is complicated. Biden was actually incredibly young & dynamic, did excellent in the debate” BS maybe you should start looking into facts instead of cult speak
Yes. The ol’ establish yourself as a candidate by putting them at ease by selling yourself as just the younger version of your running mate while simultaneously differentiating yourself among a diverse population of nearly 200 million voters with just 3 months to work with and no time to adjust strategy
Seems easy, have no idea why she could have possibly lost with such an easy task.
Holy shit, BlueMAGA really has taken complete leave of reality; I guess the ceasefire has completely broken your brains. You were so eager for the genocide your candidate was committing to “get worse” under Trump so you could gloat about it, and now that he’s instead proven that Biden could have ended the genocide any time he wanted to, you’ve snapped and fully embraced alternative facts.
Red genocide is SO different from blue genocide isn’t it?
You think trump would be tougher on genocide? You could’ve at least convinced kamala over time, trump though? Haha :') okay
We couldn’t even convince her when an election was on the line, against a man they themselves called a fascist!! They would rather see fascism in the US than sanction Israel! They would punish us for not falling in line with genocide!!! Holy shit dude what’s it gonna take to realize that you are already living under fascism (lite) and just as brainwashed as any MAGA voter!!!
Trump has already been tougher on genocide, dipshit, you just don’t realize it because you’re a BlueMAGA fanatic that spent the last year doing everything you could to deny and downplay the genocide that Biden was overseeing.
I’m British, i have no skin in the game. I’m just on the outside looking in and seeing it for what it is
Well you’re clearly not seeing it for it is, given you’re adopting the hardcore BlueMAGA stance. The fact that you’re not American just makes it even worse that you’re engaging in partisan genocide denial.
I’m not denying any genocide. I’m on palestines side, fuck Israel. But thinking that not voting for kamala was the only way to stop it is a stupid as fuck opinion. Now we’ve still got genocide in gaza AND the rest of the world have up deal with the government your country has ever put into power. Which freshly will likely take a lot of precedence to deal with over dressing with Israel. So now the world has one more catastrophe to deal with. Good job.
And what the hell is this blue maga shit you’re on about?
If you were actually on the side of the Palestinians you’d be aware that there’s a ceasefire and be happy about it. But because it makes Trump looks good just going to ignore it, because you never cared about Palestine.
BlueMAGA is people like you who have adopted all of the behaviors of MAGA, but for the Democrats