• Surp@lemmy.world
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      9 hours ago

      I didn’t vote for this everyone needs to stop putting us in a box…many of us did not want this and we’re stuck with these jerks. Alot of Americans are good people we just got taken over. America needs help from other countries.

      • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        4 hours ago

        The United States has been collapsing for decades. A force like Trump became an inevitablity after you allowed education standards to be destroyed, right-wing propoganda to run rampant, and billionaires to be held unaccountable for their roles in crashing the U.S. economy.

        The number of Americans who have actually been fighting to prevent us from getting to this point is a very, very small group. You voted for this, regardless of whether or not you voted for the orange fascist or the controlled opposition. We’re here now because the American people have consistently voted for this inevitability for decades.

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          Exactly. Americans have been doing the same sorts of things since basically their inception. The only difference was that it was only impacting countries that weren’t in their sphere of influence. The only difference now is they’ve decided to let all the air out of that sphere to the point where former allies are being treated the same way everyone else had been for a hundred years.

          It’s gonna damage us all, but the silver lining is that the US will never be dominant again. It was happening slowly, now it’s happening before our eyes.

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        6 hours ago

        I’m an American who works primarily with Canadians. Their opinions are very eye opening.

        The nuance you’re missing is based in American exceptionalism. You are no different than a Russian citizen, stuck under a government you/I hate. Focus on what you and your family can control.

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          Yes.

          Your internal team sports are not owed consideration by other peoples affected by the actions of the USA on the international stage.

          I think everyone here would agree that most Americans don’t care who the Russian soldier voted for without all that freedom nor could even name the opposition parties let alone their overall platforms in most of the world.

          America is doing this. A purposeful second time. The parties are the internal machinations.

          There is a significant chance of invasion. The USA is dead to me. It’s people made a choice. Cold Vietnam or Guerrilla Austria? Time will tell.

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            4 hours ago

            Yes?

            Most of us fucking hate it. And I fear we may become the next fascist superpower.

            Our internal politics are probably more important than the entirety whatever country you live in. We spend way too much on our military for you not to pay attention.

            I personally will never support any sort of invasion and won’t give a shit if our soldiers die because of it. Wish the rest of the country would get on board.

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              Our internal politics are probably more important than the entirety whatever country you live in. We spend way too much on our military for you not to pay attention.

              Precisely.

              Cultural bullies.

              Your internal politics are relevant to us. As much as Russias and Chinas is. How much do you know or care about their internal politics and opposition when considering their actions as a country or people?

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                Ok? What a pointless opinion. Reality is we, as in the whole world, aren’t going to fix my country by being obtuse.

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                  You need to fix your country, not we.

                  We need to prepare for your physical, economic, health, and social aggression under one flag.

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                    2 hours ago

                    Your right and wrong. If we become as bad as you think, we will very much be a problem for all of the world. We’ll see in 4 years which way we go.

                    I refuse to sacrifice my family for the zero chance of saving you.

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                Holy shit dude. You deleted your comment but i can still see it. The incredible sense of self importance you project onto me and other US citizens is your own problem.

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                  I deleted it because I’m not interested in picking a fight on his topic but

                  Our internal politics are probably more important than the entirety whatever country you live in. We spend way too much on our military for you not to pay attention.

                  Even a “good guy” like you can’t seem to get out of this mindset that Americans are the most important.

                  When it comes to global politics I care as much about your slide into fascism as I do about any other. It’s closer to home for me, but these are global trends and caused by you.

                  If you all adopted more of a global worldview instead of this exceptionalism and dominance oriented worldview we’d all be better off.

                  The main difference in this presidency is just that it’s mask off and former allies are no longer treated like they’re part of the Imperial core. You’ve been doing this to everyone else under both teams.

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                    Generalizations of a single person based on where they live make for bad assumptions about them. I do not subscribe to American exceptionalism. I did as a child raised in a republican household, but not as an adult.

                    I do generally agree though. Most US citizens see themselves as superior to others. I hope the next 4 years help those people see otherwise, but probably not.

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      11 hours ago

      I have no sympathy for anyone who ever voted Trump, but the point has to be made that until voting is mandatory and they actually hold genuine primaries that allow voters to have a say, it’s taking things too far to blame every American for this outcome. The last few presidential elections have been laughably thin pretenses of democracy.