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    1 year ago

    If only there was a country that could easily end the war by simply withdrawing back behind its borders…

    But do keep cheering for a fascist dictator – everything to oppose evil America, right? No matter how many innocents die.

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      Russia was very clear what their red lines were, even back in like 2009. NATO kept pushing the issue. Then, by their own admission, teams like the US 4th PsyOps orchestrated Euromaidan to overthrow the Ukrainian government. Ukraine might be mostly innocent here, but neither Russia nor NATO are.

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      There are other perspectives on this matter that disagree with USA narrative you just repeated. I would go as far as to say that it is US propaganda. To your surprise, most of the world does not agree with what you are describing.

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        Then the rest of the world ought to read Putin’s own essay on what he thinks of Ukraine, I can’t be bothered to link it right now but it’s on the Kremlin’s official website if you want to read it yourself. This invasion is a blatant, imperialist landgrab.

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          This is just your interpretation of it, being subjected to US propaganda. I repeat, most of the wolrd does not share this opinion

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      I’m so excited for you! You have so much history to learn about!

      But do keep cheering for a fascist dictator

      Fascism is, despite what liberals will tell you, not an abstract concept but rather a concrete historical phenomenon that gained it’s name during the rise of the anti-communist movement known as the Third Reich in Germany. Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Third Reich, wrote about his vision, motivation, ambitions, and inspiration in Mein Kampf. In it, he describes how much he admired the systems that the USA inherited from the Netherlands, France, England, and Spain and perfected - systems of slavery, apartheid, eugenics, prison labor, propaganda, cultural genocide, industrial mass murder, land appropriation, scientific racism, child separation, and permanent underclass maintenance. In Mein Kampf, Hitler details his aspirations to take the American system and use it to dominate the Slavs in the same way that the USA dominated indigenous and black peoples. In this way, we see how fascism was not born in Germany but rather named in Germany and born in the European colonies and most highly developed in the USA.

      When Germany turned the North Atlantic colonial project towards white people in Europe, it became something that challenged the USA’s burgeoning economic hegemony. It was allowed to proceed so long as it looked like it would destroy the USSR, which was the primary ideological threat to the North Atlantic project for global domination. But when the USSR demonstrated it was not merely capable of defending itself but of marching all the way across Europe and fully defeating history’s most advanced military at the time, the USA needed to intervene and ensure the USSR didn’t control the end state after having defeated 80% of all German troops.

      So the USA intervened and implemented Operation Paperclip where it protected Nazi members and officials and distributed them around the world, often in positions of power. It then built NATO and staffed it with Nazi officers and then executed Operation Gladio in which the USA coordinated, established, trained, armed, funded, and facilitated “stay-behind” militias of Nazis all over Europe. In this way, we see that the USA didn’t defeat fascism, it birthed it, internationalized it, protected it, incubated it, and used it to advance it’s aims.

      In a very historically accurate way, it is almost impossible to call Putin a fascist. The fascists have always been the white North Atlantians and they continue to be. In a very historical way, the Nazis in Ukraine are the result of Operation Gladio and the funding, training, supporting, and facilitation of those Nazis by the USA is in no way aberrant but in fact completely congruent with 80 years of USA activity in Europe.

      everything to oppose evil America, right? No matter how many innocents die.

      When you see it, you won’t be able to unsee it. America has killed more innocents than USSR+Russia has by at least one order of magnitude. Everything to oppose evil America is motivated entirely by the desire to minimize the total number of innocents killed. America will not stop when asked nicely. They have demonstrated this for the last 100 years of mass murder of innocents all over the world, so inevitably, any resistance of the USA will result in the death of innocents. The US pioneered the modern formulation of proxy war and it is incredibly deadly to innocents. This war in Ukraine is not different. It is a USA proxy war against Russia.

      If you don’t think America has killed that many innocents, just tally up the death tolls of indigenous Americans, blacks, and Asians domestically, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, The Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Ghana, Chad, Palestine, Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Guatemala, El Salvador, Iran, Haiti, Honduras, Paraguay, Congo, Russia, Al-Qaeda, The School of the Americas, the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, just to start your education.

      Stopping America will save more innocents than trying to save innocents by appeasing America.

      Happy reading! I hope you enjoy the learning process as much as I did!