What happens if all countries were doing well enough for immigration to slow down? Like not having constant wars and dictatorships?
What happens if your country becomes less appealing to immigrants, or gets a short surge of anti immigration leadership like the US?
If an increase in population is necessary to support retirement and your own population can’t sustain that, then you are propping up a system that requires other countries to be worse off. That cannot continue indefinitely.
But I’m not proposing in any way immigration as a path to solve the problem of aging population. That interpretation is solely on you.
I’m only saying that immigration it’s just a phenomenon that happened (and it’s not happening at the same rate as in the past anymore), and that I’m glad it happened, because if not, we would be in real trouble really soon. I’m just thankful for the immigrants to this country, because it’s them saving our asses (in contrast to people thinking they’re a problem).
The causes of our aging population are other, and the real solution requires actions that I wish politicians tried to solve. Immigration was just a temporary fix, that we should be thankful for, but it’s not the solution to the problem at all, nor am I proposing it as the solution.
You started your comment with “That seems to suggest…” Well, no, I’m not suggesting anything more than what I said. Just that. And I don’t feel the need to explain anything further. Cheers.
Most of the world is an unfixable cesspit of corruption, authoritarianism, and misery. It’s not possible to bring corrupt dictatorships to EU living standards because the power structures in those countries will hijack any effort to do so, using the funds to further concentrate wealth and power.
The only way that someone in such countries can hope to improve their life is through immigration.
What happens if all countries were doing well enough for immigration to slow down? Like not having constant wars and dictatorships?
What happens if your country becomes less appealing to immigrants, or gets a short surge of anti immigration leadership like the US?
If an increase in population is necessary to support retirement and your own population can’t sustain that, then you are propping up a system that requires other countries to be worse off. That cannot continue indefinitely.
But I’m not proposing in any way immigration as a path to solve the problem of aging population. That interpretation is solely on you.
I’m only saying that immigration it’s just a phenomenon that happened (and it’s not happening at the same rate as in the past anymore), and that I’m glad it happened, because if not, we would be in real trouble really soon. I’m just thankful for the immigrants to this country, because it’s them saving our asses (in contrast to people thinking they’re a problem).
The causes of our aging population are other, and the real solution requires actions that I wish politicians tried to solve. Immigration was just a temporary fix, that we should be thankful for, but it’s not the solution to the problem at all, nor am I proposing it as the solution.
I think you read too much in my post.
I think you are assuming that my comment was trying to invalidate yours instead of expanding on it with my own observation.
You started your comment with “That seems to suggest…” Well, no, I’m not suggesting anything more than what I said. Just that. And I don’t feel the need to explain anything further. Cheers.
I didn’t say that you suggested anything or that you need to explain anything.
Have you had a discussion where people expanded on and added to other people’s comments before or is this a new experience?
It will continue in the foreseeable future though.
World utopia isn’t coming anytime soon, and until then, the EU is better than most of the world under whatever metrics you want to use.
It also means there is a disincentive to help bring up the rest of the world because that would reduce the rate of immigration.
Most of the world is an unfixable cesspit of corruption, authoritarianism, and misery. It’s not possible to bring corrupt dictatorships to EU living standards because the power structures in those countries will hijack any effort to do so, using the funds to further concentrate wealth and power.
The only way that someone in such countries can hope to improve their life is through immigration.