Ah yes, nothing everyone loves more then MegaCorps making even more profit and fucking over the working class. Biden is the worst President we’ve ever had, he even makes Bush seem like a liberal progressive
All of us are making more profit, it’s not just the “MegaCorps”. The cost of living in today’s society is a pain in the ass, but prices have plummeted in the last two months, and food costs are way down now.
As for President Biden, he’s been a good solid President. Between President Obama who is a top ten President, and President Biden who has been in the upper 30, it is lightyears better than the actual worst President of all time, Trump.
I’m no Biden stan, but I am a progressive, and he has definitely been more progressive than Obama was. Obama was a great president aka being a public figure/speaker, but Biden has had a much more progressive policy agenda and I’m all for that
I was on it myself for 4 years. And thank god too, as I got into a nasty car accident when I had it.
There’s more to the ACA than the healthcare marketplaces. The law includes governing what healthcare plans must cover, prohibits canceling or refusing to cover thingsfor pre-existing conditions, requires health plans come with prescription coverage, and even demands health care plans spend a certain percentage of premium dollars paid on actual healthcare, essentially capping the profit margin of insurance companies.
The millions of people that got healthcare because of the marketplace / subsidies are a win, but there’s even more people who were able to get coverage because insurance companies could no longer deny them. Prior to the ACA, for instance, people with T1 diabetes were fucked if they ever had a stint of unemployment, as they would loose coverage, and then when finding a new job, if they didn’t do it fast enough, would have to wait 6 - 12 months before the new employer’s plan would cover things like insulin. People with cancer would get all cancer-related treatments denied because their employer decided to exclude cancer treatments in order to keep premiums low. The ACA put a stop to that.
Was it terrible? No. But it was a half measure, already a compromise and the watered down more by Republicans. it was absolutely not progressive, it was liberal/centrist at best.
A progressive health care plan would be a single payer universal healthcare system
This is a big distinction. Obama did the optics of the job very well, and I’d say he did a good job as president overall, given the situation. Biden I think is doing an even better job in a worse situation. He’s not terribly concerned about optics though.
Biden is the worst President we’ve ever had, he even makes Bush seem like a liberal progressive
At first I thought you just completely forgot about the 4 years before Biden, then you made the comment about bush and that just means that your opinion is completely worthless and wrong.
If you think Biden makes bush look like a liberal progressive, I’m not sure you know what words mean.
I can’t tell if you’re a disgruntled progressive or provacateur conservative. Assuming the former and you’re actually complaining in good faith, what do you expect of Biden?
As near as I can tell, Biden has picked up the pieces of the most ravaged American economy in a century while dealing with divided and useless legislature and an immoral, activist supreme court.
I agree Biden hasn’t handle corporate greed and abuse as much as I’d like, but that really is congress’s job.
Is it the rail worker strike? Congress made it illegal for them to strike with a veto proof majority. Interestingly, they now have the sick days they were prepared to strike over and the unions publicly thanked the Biden administration for working behind the scenes to make it happen.
Honestly, he’s the most progressive president since LBJ, or even FDR, and is working with far more combative branches of government and far more dire circumstances.
Biden was near the bottom of my list in the primaries, but I was absolutely wrong. He may not be as progressive as I’d like, but he’s the leader we need right now. He’s a consummate politian who believes in the process and is open to being persuaded to still more progressive outlooks.
This is a really important thing. Many of us I suspect have had moments where we wished he’d just tell the court to fuck off and not follow a ruling, or try an untested legal maneuver to work around Republicans.
To heal a democracy however, you have to work through the system. Working outside of it just weakens the government more. People need to see our rules and traditions triumph to have faith in them.
Assuming a position of good faith is starting your response on a flawed premise. Notice how there is never any evidence or even claims of evidence, merely a assertion that [insert current democratic president here] is “the worst president evarr!!!1!” When Obama was in office he was also “the worst president evarr!!!1!” The next Democrat president we have will also be “the worst president evarr!!!1!”
I appreciate your attempt here, because I do think it’s important to have level headed discussion surrounding these sorts of statements. It’s a benefit to the rest of the bystanders that will come in here later and not see that sitting unopposed. But as far as engaging an actual conversation, you are surely wasting your time. You’ll notice that the hour old comment has 13 replies on its chain but only crickets from the original commenter. I’ll be very surprised if we hear from them again on this thread but if we do you can be assured that it will contain more of the same bizarro clown shit with no identifiable basis in reality.
I am really, seriously reaching the end of my rope here with the willful ignorance and purposeful misinformation. This is the sort of thing that has taught me I should not ever be allowed to be in charge of anything, because if I were, this is the sort of person I’d have imprisoned on the basis that they are a danger to society. But fortunately for them our constitution enshrines their right to be an idiot and to talk about it.
I believe this is generally “Sea-lioning”. They pop up and toss out some argument that doesn’t even have to make sense just to suck up the time of somebody so that they can’t engage in honest discourse with someone arguing in good faith. IMO, ignoring the trolls is for the best.
How can you possibly say he’s the worst president ever compared to what just happened in 2016?!?! By what metrics are you using?
I’m just glad we have an adult at the helm and I don’t have to wake up the next morning to see what bat shit insane thing has just happened. He’s not a spectacular president but he’s solid and consistent. And he is not by any stretch a liberal progressive. I wish he were.
Besides you even contradict yourself by saying he loves the MegaCorps and then calling him a liberal progressive. Which is it? I’m pretty sure those two are mutually exclusive.
Internationally stressful. Biden is hitting out of the park in comparison. Trump was jacking off in the bleachers and broadcasting it on the 6 o clock news
Maybe ask children in the middle east who’d parents we bombed, or the South Americans whose countries we sent death squads to, or the Vietnamese with Agent Orange birth defects, or the families of Americans who died pointlessly in the war on terror who they think the worst US president is and I’m sure they will mention Joe Biden and him making big businesses profitable.
Ah yes, nothing everyone loves more then MegaCorps making even more profit and fucking over the working class. Biden is the worst President we’ve ever had, he even makes Bush seem like a liberal progressive
All of us are making more profit, it’s not just the “MegaCorps”. The cost of living in today’s society is a pain in the ass, but prices have plummeted in the last two months, and food costs are way down now.
As for President Biden, he’s been a good solid President. Between President Obama who is a top ten President, and President Biden who has been in the upper 30, it is lightyears better than the actual worst President of all time, Trump.
I’m no Biden stan, but I am a progressive, and he has definitely been more progressive than Obama was. Obama was a great president aka being a public figure/speaker, but Biden has had a much more progressive policy agenda and I’m all for that
You have to understand that the world is drastically different between Obama’s presidency and now.
You can’t flip a switch and make a nation of 346 million people be a social democracy. You have to slowly roll in changes.
Obama campaigned as a progressive and governed as a liberal. The world changing had nothing to do with it
EDIT: For instance, he ran on making abortion rights law, but once elected with a supermajority he switched gears and said it was not a high priority.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/obama-promised-to-sign-the-freedom-of-choice-act-o
Huh
There’s more to the ACA than the healthcare marketplaces. The law includes governing what healthcare plans must cover, prohibits canceling or refusing to cover thingsfor pre-existing conditions, requires health plans come with prescription coverage, and even demands health care plans spend a certain percentage of premium dollars paid on actual healthcare, essentially capping the profit margin of insurance companies.
The millions of people that got healthcare because of the marketplace / subsidies are a win, but there’s even more people who were able to get coverage because insurance companies could no longer deny them. Prior to the ACA, for instance, people with T1 diabetes were fucked if they ever had a stint of unemployment, as they would loose coverage, and then when finding a new job, if they didn’t do it fast enough, would have to wait 6 - 12 months before the new employer’s plan would cover things like insulin. People with cancer would get all cancer-related treatments denied because their employer decided to exclude cancer treatments in order to keep premiums low. The ACA put a stop to that.
I was just speaking to my personal experience.
The ACA was literally a right wing health care plan proposed by the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank.
EDIT: Not to say it didn’t help people, I’ve also benefited from it, but it’s not exactly progressive
EDIT 2: This is not my opinion, Obama said it himself. Here is a source:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
Hih
Obama has said it himself on multiple occasions
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
Was it terrible? No. But it was a half measure, already a compromise and the watered down more by Republicans. it was absolutely not progressive, it was liberal/centrist at best.
A progressive health care plan would be a single payer universal healthcare system
This is a big distinction. Obama did the optics of the job very well, and I’d say he did a good job as president overall, given the situation. Biden I think is doing an even better job in a worse situation. He’s not terribly concerned about optics though.
Aww look at the smooth brain. Stuck in its trump delusion
At first I thought you just completely forgot about the 4 years before Biden, then you made the comment about bush and that just means that your opinion is completely worthless and wrong.
If you think Biden makes bush look like a liberal progressive, I’m not sure you know what words mean.
you’re a clown
I can’t tell if you’re a disgruntled progressive or provacateur conservative. Assuming the former and you’re actually complaining in good faith, what do you expect of Biden?
As near as I can tell, Biden has picked up the pieces of the most ravaged American economy in a century while dealing with divided and useless legislature and an immoral, activist supreme court.
I agree Biden hasn’t handle corporate greed and abuse as much as I’d like, but that really is congress’s job.
Is it the rail worker strike? Congress made it illegal for them to strike with a veto proof majority. Interestingly, they now have the sick days they were prepared to strike over and the unions publicly thanked the Biden administration for working behind the scenes to make it happen.
Honestly, he’s the most progressive president since LBJ, or even FDR, and is working with far more combative branches of government and far more dire circumstances.
Biden was near the bottom of my list in the primaries, but I was absolutely wrong. He may not be as progressive as I’d like, but he’s the leader we need right now. He’s a consummate politian who believes in the process and is open to being persuaded to still more progressive outlooks.
This is a really important thing. Many of us I suspect have had moments where we wished he’d just tell the court to fuck off and not follow a ruling, or try an untested legal maneuver to work around Republicans.
To heal a democracy however, you have to work through the system. Working outside of it just weakens the government more. People need to see our rules and traditions triumph to have faith in them.
Assuming a position of good faith is starting your response on a flawed premise. Notice how there is never any evidence or even claims of evidence, merely a assertion that [insert current democratic president here] is “the worst president evarr!!!1!” When Obama was in office he was also “the worst president evarr!!!1!” The next Democrat president we have will also be “the worst president evarr!!!1!”
I appreciate your attempt here, because I do think it’s important to have level headed discussion surrounding these sorts of statements. It’s a benefit to the rest of the bystanders that will come in here later and not see that sitting unopposed. But as far as engaging an actual conversation, you are surely wasting your time. You’ll notice that the hour old comment has 13 replies on its chain but only crickets from the original commenter. I’ll be very surprised if we hear from them again on this thread but if we do you can be assured that it will contain more of the same bizarro clown shit with no identifiable basis in reality.
I am really, seriously reaching the end of my rope here with the willful ignorance and purposeful misinformation. This is the sort of thing that has taught me I should not ever be allowed to be in charge of anything, because if I were, this is the sort of person I’d have imprisoned on the basis that they are a danger to society. But fortunately for them our constitution enshrines their right to be an idiot and to talk about it.
I believe this is generally “Sea-lioning”. They pop up and toss out some argument that doesn’t even have to make sense just to suck up the time of somebody so that they can’t engage in honest discourse with someone arguing in good faith. IMO, ignoring the trolls is for the best.
How can you possibly say he’s the worst president ever compared to what just happened in 2016?!?! By what metrics are you using?
I’m just glad we have an adult at the helm and I don’t have to wake up the next morning to see what bat shit insane thing has just happened. He’s not a spectacular president but he’s solid and consistent. And he is not by any stretch a liberal progressive. I wish he were.
Besides you even contradict yourself by saying he loves the MegaCorps and then calling him a liberal progressive. Which is it? I’m pretty sure those two are mutually exclusive.
Exactly. For four years, practically every fucking day it was, “Oh God, what’s he done now?”
Internationally stressful. Biden is hitting out of the park in comparison. Trump was jacking off in the bleachers and broadcasting it on the 6 o clock news
Dubya gave us the housing market crash.
Man I am capable of critiquing Biden but that Bush line is beyond the pale lol. You’ll just hate Biden no matter what, clearly.
Lol wut.
What r u smoking?
Maybe ask children in the middle east who’d parents we bombed, or the South Americans whose countries we sent death squads to, or the Vietnamese with Agent Orange birth defects, or the families of Americans who died pointlessly in the war on terror who they think the worst US president is and I’m sure they will mention Joe Biden and him making big businesses profitable.