Unemployment is such a weird metric. If supported externally; high unemployment should be a goal no?
Whats the comparative poverty rate?
I don’t get why we just keep inventing bullshit jobs when we could just let people be humans
Unemployment generally only measures the percentage of people who are seeking work but unable to find it. Those who don’t work because they are otherwise taken care of aren’t usually counted. That’s actually the source of the discrepancy in the article so the headline is bs imo.
I’m all for reducing our working hours as a population though. More productivity should equal less work, not more GDP
You also have the issue of what to do with NEET young adults. What happens if a large class of people are created that don’t have a way to contribute to the economy? How are they going to be able to interact with the economy as they are going to be given the lowest social status due to their lack of work?
People shouldn’t have the lowest social status just because they don’t work, that’s the thing. We should take care of everyone’s basic needs and let people work on things they are passionate about, instead of simply treating with poverty those that don’t participate.
It is going to be hard explaining to the janitor in a job that isn’t what they are passionate about that some one gets the same pay and respect as they do, but have a job they like.
This! Every election is about politicians who want to create jobs. I want to vote for someone who wants us to have less jobs! I thought technology was supposed to make us more productive for more free time.
Before that can happen, we (as the non-ownership class) need to shift away from the capitalist mode of production, into a more advanced economy. On a global scale this is incredibly difficult, since the United States has a hegemonic influence over global economic affairs, and has been hostile to any states that attempt to subvert the capitalist mode. This is kinda sorta beginning to wane, but it’ll be a couple decades still until we see some real progress IMO.
Yep, I guess what I’m saying is that as long as people keep voting for “creating more jobs”, it’ll be difficult to get there. Voting for more jobs includes the whole ethos around those jobs being owned by a handful of people.
I may not live to see it but I’ll keep trying to push that direction when I can!
Did you read the article before posting?
There are descriptions of embittered and/or depressed youth. They are not describing young people so well cared for (by the state) that they are opting out.
And older family will eventually perish or cease to have the means. Something must take the place to ensure production at certain levels.
Also: fewer hours per job, with an unchanging workload would lead to more jobs. Not fewer. Unless automation, computing or improved engineering lower the overall effort.
Edit to add one more point: China is Capitalist. The land use thing is communist, but fundamentally they went capitalist decades ago. The notion that they’re doling out buckets of money to people mystifies me (building unnecessary infrastructure is a job).
If someone has a source or refutation, I’ll click and read, but until then I’ll run with what I find.
They should clarify for themselves I guess, but by my reading they were commenting on the general topic of “unemployment metrics” rather than the specific situation in the article. If that’s the case it’d be a different discussion entirely.
I’d hope that people understand that the PRC doesn’t have a robust social safety net as it stands currently.
That is what I was thinking, specially if it is the youth. Let the youth study and enjoy, not work.
How are their internet boards looking? I’ve noticed a kind of weird way to tell what’s going on on the street is to observe actions of the population. Brazil has a very high youth unemployment. Most of the edge lord NEET boards are full of Brazilian kids.
Well, that how China can offer cheap labor.
I would kill for the wage increases the average Chinese person has seen over the last decade.
Then move to China :) You can become an average Chinese person tomorrow, see how that turns out for you.
You wish, it is not easy moving to China, otherwise I would have done it already. T.T
Immigrants to China can’t become citizens FYI. Dumb argument.
Average white guy in a Chinese city lives the life.
The real problem is in some of the poorer rural areas and low-tier cities.
You start from a smaller baseline increases are easier. The Chinese economy has very serious problems.
Yeah, sure, they have so many homeless people and a decaying infrastructure ah right that is the US.
The whole globe is in the throes of a global financial and economic crisis, guy.
Fun fact: The waiting time for organ transplants in China is about an order of magnitude shorter than in the rest of the world. This is purely because of China’s large population and not because of any other reason at all.
I thought it because China have organ black market. But it is totally false news. Thank you for your clarification
High quality uyghur organs sourced directly from healthy, if not a bit rebellious, individuals. Might be slightly cursed by the ghost of the original owner though.
I can’t believe people are willing to put an organ from a person specifically murdered for said organ. I’d rather die than live with that.
Proof China is forcibly harvesting organs?
There are plenty of testimonies and allegations if you search the internet:
- Organ Harvesting from Uyghurs: Evidence Grows, the U.S. Reacts: https://bitterwinter.org/organ-harvesting-from-uyghurs-evidence-grows-the-u-s-reacts/
- Doctor testifies to China’s reuse of prisoners’ organs : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1172655/
- Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
- Killing prisoners for transplants: Forced organ harvesting in China: https://theconversation.com/killing-prisoners-for-transplants-forced-organ-harvesting-in-china-161999
Falun Gong is a cult that believes that following their religion makes your body physically healthier because it aligns the metaphysical energies of your body in a special way. This they say means they have the juciest most bestest organs that the Chinese government wants because they’re the BEST GOD DAMN ORGANS around, which is why they actively spread this myth. All of your above sources cite the Falun Gong, or claim that it happened to the Falun Gong such as in your second link:
“Usually these Falun Gong practitioners were injected with a shot to cause heart failure. During the process these people would be pushed into operating rooms to have their organs removed,”
I strongly urge you to watch this video. It is not a pro-china source, it is a liberal source. I think you might come away from it with many questions and when you start realising that literally every single one of these is coming from, or about, or linked to falun gong in some way it becomes impossible to ignore what the source is.
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Wow, this is a rabbit hole and a half. I really can’t agree with you though that all those sources are from the Falun Gong, as many of them talk about this same practice being performed on Uyghurs. Also many of those sources are from doctors who performed the harvests, not from Falun Gong members talking about how it’s happening. A lot of the evidence is circumstantial, pointing to the fact that the Chinese transplant industry boomed in the early 2000s with no real explanation of where all these organs came from. There are no corresponding increases in voluntary donations, and the speed at which these organs are delivered suggests a sort of on demand execution and harvest system.
It’s important to note, the Falun Gong being a cult really doesn’t have any bearing on whether or not China is executing political dissidents for organs to fuel their massive transplant industry. Both “the Falun Gong is a crazy cult” and “China is executing prisoners and selling their organs” can be true.
Citing Falun Gong for anything is like citing Scientology for anything. In fact, Scientology is probably more legitimately useful to society.
FWIW Falun Gong advocates for supporting Trump and is anti-vaccine.
Wait, I feel like I missed something here. You surely don’t meant just because falun gong is a cult it justifies the all those killing and organ harvesting?
- The first article deals with a U.S. bill passed against organ harvesting, of which the passage of such a bill on its own is no more evidence of the PRC’s wrongdoing than if the PRC were to pass a law against U.S. wrongdoing. The article mostly touches on Enver Tohti’s testimony and others presented at the Uyghur Tribunal, a “people’s tribunal” requested by the World Uyghur Congress, an organization which partially funded the Uyghur Tribunal, and which is funded by the NED, a U.S. government agency which distributes funds allocated to it by Congress (i.e. the Tribunal was funded by the U.S. government through an intermediary).
The current president of the NED Carl Gershman stated in 1986, “We should not have to do this kind of work covertly. It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the C.I.A. We saw that in the 60’s, and that’s why it has been discontinued. We have not had the capability of doing this, and that’s why the endowment was created.”
And Allen Weinstein (founder of the NED) said in 1991, "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.”
The Tribunal itself had issues with the accurate handling of testimonies, with a relevant comment in an assessment reading: “Needless to say, the (unsworn) word of one individual is not sufficient to substantiate such a grave allegation, nor is it sufficient to extrapolate it out to the PRC government possessing special genocidal intent forming part of a manifest pattern of destruction directed at the Uyghur population. Reliance on such weak evidence may be a result of the Uyghur Tribunal failing to appoint a (competent) defense counsel for the PRC government.”
The article later cites the China Tribunal, initiated by ETAC, which has Falun Gong (homophobic feudalist cult) members on its committee. The Tribunal faces the same problems of cross examination and no proper opposition representation with the majority of its witnesses being Falun Gong members, and there also being the testimony of a WUC member (problems already discussed):
Fears were compounded during the so-called “People’s” China Tribunal” in 2019 when observers learned over the course of days of witness testimonies, first hand experiences and expert research, that organs were available on demand, that special fast track human organ lanes had been set aside at Xinjiang’s Kashgar airport, and that Uyghurs were being increasingly targeted.
The OCHR “extreme alarm” bit is nonsense, with the cited article containing no specifics at all, and the full OCHR report being (relatively) (poor).
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The second source is the testimony of a doctor. Like the falsified testimony of infanticide in Iraq which partially urged the Iraq War, this is not enough to indict an entire nation, especially with this testimony being presented in front of a U.S. government committee, with testimony in this area proven to be falsified in other instances.
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A wikipedia article with weak statistical precedent for accepting the word of a deranged racist cult.
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Most of the sources are just the findings of the China Tribunal (already discussed)
We must protest the unjust and inhumane incarceration and oppression of Uyghurs and marginalized groups around the world.
The cited source in this excerpt is a Toronto Star article which cites the China Tribunal again of course, but also states that this is the largest incarceration of a minority group since the Holocaust, despite no evidence of this, with the origin of the million+ number being Adrian Zenz (Director at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which was established by the U.S. government), who in his initial report for this estimate [https://doi.org/10.1080/02634937.2018.1507997], cites RFA (U.S. government propaganda outlet) four times, and the estimate is only mentioned on (pp. 21-2). Zenz finds this number by roughly extrapolating a “leaked” report by Newsweek Japan (affiliated with Newsweek Inc.). This report comes from “Istekral TV”, which frequently platforms the terrorist organization ETIM. The report was never confirmed. Judging by an RFA report (RFA 2017; p. 22), Zenz states, “while there is no certainty, it is reasonable to speculate that the total number of detainees is between several hundred thousand and just over one million.” This is all that is said regarding this topic. Since then, Zenz as well as everyone else have converted the number (it is quite suitable to multiply it at one’s discretion) into pathology, so that its origins are quite obscured.
Please stop spreading this conspiracy theory garbage.
I guess we have a different opinion on what constitutes “conspiracy theory garbage”. When multiple reliable sources, including various government agencies, raised the same issue, I think that’s a good enough signal to indicate that the issue is not “conspiracy theory garbage”. I’m actually interested to know why you think the organ harvesting issue is a conspiracy garbage?
they don’t consider the “donors” to be human
I wonder how this compares to other countries when you use the same broader definition. The article only compared it to overall US unemployment which is useless to be honest.
I doubt comrades in CCP would lie. This post is trying to smear communists.
