Her Instagram post, translated in the link:
“Come on settlers, we will slaughter you. We are waiting for you in all the cities of the West Bank. What Hitler did to you was a picnic. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls”
She has since been arrested:
Individuals such as this should never be given any sort of publicity.
Unfortunately we are in the age of sensationalism, and lunatics like this one are widely reported because it drives more page views and more clicks.
And she’s 21. Like, I feel, as a society, we can comfortably take any brilliance from a 21 year old as someone who has a special insight worthy of sharing, but we can also disregard any of the more outlandish shit that comes out of 21 year olds mouths. A lot of 21 year olds are brash and full of bluster. All that can be written off as immature horseshit.
Again, some are wise beyond their years, or have a decent head on their shoulders and spend their fresh adulthood wisely, doing good. They can have bright, new ideas that should be listened to…but this is not a new idea, nor is it worth reporting. Except as propaganda. Which is exactly what this article is, let’s not kid ourselves.
“Outspoken 21 year old says something horrible and outlandish!” Implied: [see what we’re up against? This particular group of HORRIBLE PEOPLE needs to be “relocated.”] Yes, what this person said was horrible. Yes, there are stupid people who are angry and using that anger inappropriately. But this does not change the current situation. An occupying force is wiping out a long-suffering people with the imperial might of the most war-hungry nations and capitalist enterprises in its ear and at its back. This is not a noble endeavor because some 21 year old said something wrong, the 21 year old is wrong for saying what they said. But…so is what the state of Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. The children dying have nothing to do with this idiot. She is nothing more than convenient war machine propaganda.
This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s one of many posts by influencers like the Hadid sisters, Mia Khalifa, and more. She’s an idiot, but she’s representative example of Palestinian sentiment at the moment.
The children dying right now are the result of an unrelenting campaign of violent hate speech and teaching hatred in schools.
You can’t blame the children dieing on anyone but the people responsible for actually dropping the bombs and shooting the bullets.
Violence is almost never the answer, and indiscriminate violence actually never ever is.
No one but the children are without fault in this conflict, but still far too many (more than 0) children pay the ultimate price. You can wage war without killing children, it just costs more. But if you can’t pay that price then the war can’t ever be considered just.
A 16 year old is a child, right? Let’s look at some semi-hypotheticals and you tell me who you think is to blame:
- A 16 year old with a butcher knife who has already stabbed two people
- A 16 year old being told to stand next to a jeep in the middle of a firefight
- A 16 year old shooting a rifle
- A 4 year old boy who is forced to be next to a senior commander 24/7 who holds the boy in front of him when the shooting starts
War is hell, and it is complicated. Child soldiers will die, and there will be civilians caught in the crossfire. The is no track for this trolley that has 0 children. Any military has to balance the number of civilians killed vs the risk to its own soldiers vs the likelihood of killing their intended targets. If you expect them to sacrifice hundreds or thousands of soldiers just to avoid a few civilians, you grossly misunderstand how the world works. Most military forces will certainly be unwilling to sacrifice a single soldier for a single civilian, even on their own side.
Then Israel must be punished for their disproportionate response.
What is proportionate to the brutal murder of 1400 people, including women and children?
What is proportionate to the ongoing rocket barrages on civilians?
Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?
I would ask what you think is proportionate to the 10,000 dead civilians on the other side of the fence but I’m not going to do that, math is clearly not your strong suit. I hope they haunt you forever. I’m not a religious ethnostate, if I was in their shoes I would take them the fuck off.
Well killing 10,000 people is not exactly proportional. I guess technically it is since that proportion works out to 50:7.
- The punishment for murder should never be murder
- The person shooting the unarmed civilian
- If the 16 year old is engaged in the fighting and is a soldier then he’s no longer a civilian and thus fair game. The people putting rifles in the hands of kids and telling them to fight are to blame.
- Someone using a kid as a literal meat shield in an actual firefight is an insane hypothetical. But shooting the kid to kill the commander can’t ever be considered the moral/just/right answer.
You’re just apologizing for war. Why? What’s so good/important about war that you need to defend it? Why is it insane to expect nations to not kill civilians?
War is not a good solution and it should never be the first solution. But it exists and burying your head in the sand and pretending it doesn’t exist is just naive.
By the way, every single one of those examples is real and relatively recent. Today, a 16 year old kid stabbed two border police in Jerusalem and was shot dead by a third. In May 2022, a 16 year old girl was ordered to stand next to an Israeli jeep while they were in a firefight with PIJ fighters. A 13 year old shot two people in January and was killed by one of the men he shot. There have been more than a few talking heads that have claimed the last one, but I doubt there will be any credible news reporting on it.
These are just a handful of examples from recent times. Most of them won’t compare to what happens inside Gaza where the fog of war is going to be thick and intentionally so by both sides.
Legally and morally yes in amongst every country. Including Israel.
Ed: I should say according to the talmud no one is adult until 18.
Well, I can see you’re not from Iran
I can only find this reference for the Talmud, which is pretty clear that it’s only a recommendation to marry at 18 instead of 13
We’re not talking about Iran.
The law in Israel civilly is 18, the rest is fairly basic and obvious.
I see your indoctrination and raise it with Israeli racism. If you can post propaganda, I can too. Let the truth win out.
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Shut the fuck up, live in an open air concentration camp for awhile and see how you feel about the occupiers.
You forgot violent hate speech from both sides. Jewish children are indoctrinated to hate the Palestinians too.
I didn’t forget the hate speech on the other side. But they don’t include it in their official government sponsored school curriculum.
I understand perfectly what you’re saying. Antisemitism is a huge problem. That’s not up for debate. There are a lot of stupid people mistaking antisemitism for “pro-Palestine.” Not just anti-Israel—which is the appropriate response— but for legitimate antisemitism.
It’s like third wave feminist-come-latelies that mistake misandry for feminism. That’s not positive nor is it helpful. In fact it’s a problem in and of itself. And yes, this information/political identity literacy needs to be addressed.
BUT. The existence of stupid people does not negate the fact that there is a systematic elimination of Palestinian people by the IDF/Israeli state. You can call that a lot of names, but to avoid likening this atrocity to any historical one for cleanliness of explanation, I will stick to that description: a systematic elimination of a specific identity group from a state/territory. This is the much larger, much more immediate problem that needs to be addressed.
What complicates this issue and conflates these two issues (unnecessarily) is Israel itself, using the shield and cudgel of “antisemitism” to protect itself from MUCH NEEDED criticism and to muddy the waters of this discussion. When you put anyone on the defensive, having to fend off the label of “antisemitic” when they’re trying to criticize the Israeli state for the…well…genocide that it’s perpetrating on the Palestinian people, it furthers the decimation of the Palestinian people.
And, again, to clarify, antisemitism IS A HUGE PROBLEM. And there are a lot of political-discussion illiterates debating this issue in 140 characters or on protest signs—all without much more thought than “I need to be on the right side of this issue”—which leaves no room for the nuance of making this clarification.
Do you see what I’m saying?
There is a place for legitimate criticism of Israeli policy - but I draw the line at calling for the death of Israelis. It isn’t criticism; it’s just hate speech.
The problem that I’m trying to pull up here is that this is not an isolated incident of a single person posting hate speech. There is a large group of people who celebrated the events of October 7th, and are passing that hatred on to their children through education.
That’s great. Maybe prioritize.
…you’re still not grasping my point, though. And this is the exact problem. I very clearly stated that calling for “death to Jews” or any kind of shit like that is a massive problem. Yeah, that’s antisemitic and antisemitism is wrong. It’s a problem that some people can’t differentiate between criticism of Israel and going after Jewish people. Yeah, it’s a problem and anyone with a brain agrees.
And that’s the thing right there. Amplifying the idiots that don’t know how to be anti-occupation/anti-israel without being antisemitic is propaganda. Why is there an article about this idiot making horrible statements? This article doesn’t try to discuss the nuance that I’m trying to discuss, it’s simply saying, “look at what THE ENEMY is saying! How can you NOT support Israel?!”
The Israeli govt and the lobbyists and all of the nations are all using “antisemitism” as a SHIELD against criticizing Israel/the occupation. They’re amplifying what this 21 year old is saying because it helps to turn public sentiments in favor of Israel/muddies the waters of what is happening.
It’s like the Russian propaganda amplifying the far-right/white supremacist factions in Ukraine so they can say “we invaded Ukraine to rid it of NAZIS!” Does the problem of white supremacy/far right/Nazi sympathizers exist in Ukraine? YES. But to use that as some kind of justification is beyond absurd. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN can see past it.
And ANYONE WITHOUT ULTERIOR MOTIVES won’t repeat that nonsense. The same is true of this issue. Do we need to discuss and rid the world of antisemitic sentiments? OF COURSE! The same goes for far-right/white supremacist/Nazi sympathizing.
These problems exist. They are worth putting energy into. But IN NO WAY are they justifications for the invasion/occupation happening.
Now do you see what I mean?
I posted this article because I knew it was a matter of time for someone to post the Al Jazeera article and it would lack the proper context that this is hate speech, and that the evidence is very much towards it having been written by her.
That happened by the way. I’d link it for you but I’m on mobile now.
My justification for the invasion of Gaza is the actions of Hamas on October 7th and their actions every day since then, not people writing hate speech on social media. What I’m trying to say is that there is no viable option for long term peace so long as hate speech like this exists and their educational system drills it into every single child.
Now do you see what I mean?
Hate speech will always exist. The defeat of the Nazis in WW2 didn’t end antisemitism. It didn’t even end fuckin nazism. The civil war didn’t end confederate sympathies. The fall of the USSR didn’t defeat Stalinism. The war on terror didn’t end terrorism. The war on drugs didn’t end drugs.
So to say, “I support apartheid because hate speech exists” is…genuinely insane. Wars on ideas and behaviors NEVER end the idea or the behavior. And to somehow believe that they CAN, somehow, maayybe this time! work is nothing more than either lying for ulterior motives, or you’re somehow convincing yourself.
Did the war in Afghanistan and the way in Iraq make sense because of 9/11? OF COURSE NOT. There were ulterior motives for those invasions. There are ulterior motives for this extermination. And they’re actually being perpetrated by mostly the same goddamn entities.
Let me just ask, do you now say that you support the “war on terror” and “operation Iraqi Freedom” because 9/11? If you don’t buy into that rationale, then you will have to explain to me how you could possibly be buying into this one.
—also, if I didn’t make myself clear: the bush wars bred ISIS and only served to boost Al qaeda strength/positioning. And the extermination of the Palestinian people is causing a massive surge in antisemitism. Again, as I stated in every single one of my precious comments: THIS IS WRONG, ANTISEMITISM IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO THIS CONFLICT. But it is very much a response. Terrorism is ALSO wrong, but the war on terror served as the greatest recruitment tool fundamentalist extremist groups ever had. So if your ultimate concern is ending antisemitic hate speech, you’re very much on the wrong side of this issue.
Not sure that I would call Mia Khalifa a representative of Palestinian sentiment considering she is Lebanese. Bella Hadid has expressed sympathy for Palestinians killed as well as Israelis. Either way, the Hadids were born in the US.
The children don’t right now are the result of the Israeli leaders and military killing them. It’s silly to say otherwise.
The right wing orthodox settlers are indeed really fucking annoying to witness from the outside. It must be beyond infuriating to be their victims.
A crude yet understandable statement from a person who was born, grew up and lived her whole life under such horrible circumstances of occupation and racism, especially now that the movement of ultra-racist, right-extremist, illegal settlers gets supplied with weapons by the government to murder Palestinians in the west bank to chase them out of their homes, in an attempt to expand Israel once again.
I do not support violence by either side but is it really so hard to understand her perspective?
I do not support violence by either side but is it really so hard to understand her perspective?
yes. everything. especially the blood drinking, terrorist supporting and the fucking hitler reference.
Yes, yes it is hard to understand threatening to drink someone’s blood and eat their skull.
Now, imagine Jews having this sentiment towards Nazis during WW2.
After all, they’re doing to Palestinians what Nazis did to them.
I think a better comparison is the Berlin Wall. Palestinians have blue and green pass cards that dictate where they can go. Or even a Separate But Equal, ala American segregation. I mean Palestinians are limited to certain hospitals, denied utilities and free travel. They drive on separate roads, walled off from the Israeli roads.
… But then thats just the ones outside Gaza. Gazans can’t leave and spend their days in abhorrent poverty, now while dodging bombs.
Not even close.
It’s close enough that they should know better.
Which line would they cross that you would consider too close?
Actual genocide.
Not just the realities of war that everyone wants to pretend is genocide. But actual genocide, where they intentionally target an ethnic group for extermination.
And before people try to point out instances of them killing civilians, those fall with in the realities of war. That’s what happens when their targets continue to use civilians has human shields. If Israel WAS intentionally targeting civilians with the intention of extermination, the body count would be much, much higher. But they aren’t.
If Israel WAS intentionally targeting civilians
I guess you’re just ignoring them openly admitting targeting refugee camps and schools.
Keep up the mental gymnastics, you’re doing great
Edit: Forgot to mention the journalists they’ve been targeting as well.
Again, these are the sad realities of war when your enemy continues to use places like schools to hide.
Here’s a thought. Let’s say Israel WAS just intentionally targeting citizens with the goal of genocide. If that’s the case, why do they suck so much at it? They have the ability to completely level Gaza. It would be over in a week. Why does it look like they are picking specific targets and not carpet bombing the whole area?
Gunning down journalists isn’t the “sad reality of war”. It’s an intentional war crime that also helps them control the narrative so people like you will get tricked into thinking the IDF isn’t a barbaric organization that kills indiscriminately.
Again, if they kill indiscriminately, why do all their targets appear so discriminate?
You replied about the schools, but not the refugee camp. Does that one make you uncomfortable?
If that’s the case, why do they suck so much at it?
Assuming you’re naive and not trolling, it’s to maintain plausible deniability. Just look at what China is doing. They’ve slow rolled their genocides and the world is largely turning a blind eye. Bibi wasn’t clever enough to realize that though apparently.
Nope, same feeling. The refugee camp was a series of multi-storied buildings with permanent infrastructure. It was a camp in name only. People were living there for years, and Hamas cowardly hid behind them.
My overall point is, none of Israels targets are selected with the goal being “kill as many Palestinians as possible”. They are being heavy handed and don’t have a lot of concern for collateral damage, but it is not an actual, literal, genocide. That’s the line.
Thinking they’re just maintaining plausible deniability and slow rolling it is such a stupid take, I don’t even know where to begin. I think even you know that doesn’t match up with reality.
So, up untill warsaw getto was ok?
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At least one good thing has come out of this war: Most of the Kremlin propaganda Youtube channels that were wall-to-wall anti-Ukraine content through last month have pivoted to anti-Israel content instead.
I don’t see how your comment relates.
Person says they are to the right of Hitler… They should be treated like other Nazi.
Really hurts the Palestinian cause and people amplifying this might be doing it in bad faith knowing it poisons the well
Daft cow
How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint? Sounds like you don’t understand the situation in the West Bank, a location with negligible Hamas presence. Over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and IDF agents sent to help them enforce their colonization.
How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint?
Not by saying “What Hitler did to you will be like a picnic”.
Still haven’t told me what you’d do. Answer the question directly instead of deflecting. Imagine your family has been run off their ancestral home and your father was shot in the head by Israeli settlers. Imagine then the IDF backing these settlers up, giving them government approval. Now be honest and ask yourself if it would be easy to remain reasonable and understanding of the opposition at this point.
The way they express this idea is violent and unacceptable but the sentiment didn’t appear in a vacuum. The circumstances that breed this have been very deliberately placed upon Palestinians by extreme Zionists in the Israeli government.
Why ask a question that you know the answer to but you don’t like?
Would you also think it’s unreasonable to evacuate when a volcano eruption is imminent in your ancestral home or do you insist to fight the eruption until your last men dies?
Would you also think it’s unreasonable to evacuate when a volcano eruption is imminent in your ancestral home or do you insist to fight the eruption until your last men dies?
Are you likening the wanton destruction Israel is propagating the specific scenario you replied to, both of which are decisions made by men, to a natural act of destruction which cannot be controlled or fought against?
Because that would be a comically bad metaphor.
No. I crafted my answer in a way that made it more difficult for you to deflect. Can you answer?
I crafted my answer
…poorly.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Palestinian political activist and terrorist supporter Ahed Tamimi called for the murder of settlers in the West Bank in an Instagram post on Monday, according to Israeli media.
“We are waiting for you in all the West Bank cities from Hebron to Jenin - we will slaughter you and you will say that what Hitler did to you was a joke,” she wrote on social media.
The 21-year-old became famous following the distribution of videos and photographs in which she attacked IDF soldiers in several incidents in her home village, Nabi Saleh.
Tamimi was arrested after she was filmed slapping an officer and kicking him during confrontations in Nabi Saleh, with her mother and other young women by her side.
She was convicted as part of a plea deal and also admitted to two additional charges of interfering with a soldier and incitement.
Her violence toward IDF soldiers has created fame for Tamimi in the Palestinian community.
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The 8 months sentence is a fucking joke.
Yeah, she’s not helping anyone.
Damn she slapped a soldier who was invading her land. Mad respect there.
Heh, I don’t think top comments in this thread are panning out the way OP expected.
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Damn I think she may not like Jews.
Nah she’s just pro Palestine for killing all Jews I mean genocide of Jews
Fucking leftists genocidal activists
