one person was killed and 28 others were wounded in a shooting by Israeli forces at Al-Quds hospital in Gaza, the organisation said.
The majority of the injured were children and two are in critical condition as a result of sniper fire targeting the hospital.
This is sniper fire. In the hands of one of the best-trained and most advanced military force on the planet.
Sniper fire. A sniper - a precision weapon used to take out targets with minimal collateral damage.
So, I wonder, why are there 28 wounded, the majority of them children, in a hospital!, when a sniper is the weapon of choice???
In order to wound 28 people, they were either a terrible shot, or they were deliberately targeting innocents and children.
A sniper is supposed to wait for a clear shot and take it only when absolutely sure. This is absolutely sickening.
So, I wonder, why are there 28 wounded, the majority of them children, in a hospital!, when a sniper is the weapon of choice???
Revenge.
Imagine being sick enough to consider children a target of revenge.
Yea they found charred babies in ovens in burned houses on October 7
They didn’t say the children were shot. They said they were wounded.
Sniper rifles will shoot through windows, interior walls, equipment, human bodies, etc
Again, as usual, the people to be mad at here are the literal terrorists committing literal war crimes by turning hospitals into battlegrounds
They didn’t say the children were shot. They said they were wounded.
24 times? With a sniper rifle? Come on dude. Spare yourself some dignity and think for a second before you say something that makes zero sense.
Sniper rifles will shoot through windows, interior walls, equipment, human bodies, etc
OK. Again. 24 times??? Dude. It’s a SNIPER. You know, the one where they say “I have a clear shot, I’m taking it”. You think they’re shooting through walls that many times that (if we assume a crazy high rate of 25% hit children unintentionally because of course they weren’t aiming at kids!), that’s still 24 * 4 = 96 shots at a hospital? Why not use an assault rifle at that point? With a sniper rifle, you watch, you wait, and you make sure you have a shot before taking it. If you miss, you regroup. There’s no mention of a high value target, no mention of Hamas activity inside. If they had that intel, it would be on the news for sure.
Again, as usual, the people to be mad at here are the literal terrorists committing literal war crimes by turning hospitals into battlegrounds
No. Not ONCE have they actually confirmed that the target they’re after was killed. Every target is a valid target if they say so after the fact. The hospital they bombed and were so sure had a tunnel, was not true .
Sure, Hamas is a rebel force to Israel but the sheer number of collateral damage to kill even a single Hamas soldier is completely out of this world. Even in this scenario, 1 person killed, 24 wounded by sniper fire, and they didn’t even confirm who the target was or if they got him.
OK. Again. 24 times??? Dude. It’s a SNIPER
This is strong evidence that what I’m saying is exactly correct. Idk why you think it isn’t.
In what universe does a sniper miss 24 times.
In what universe does a sniper miss 24 times.
Exactly! They were aiming for children!
What kind of sniper shoots into walls etc enough times to wound that many children?
I don’t get what you’re not understanding about this.
They were aiming for children!
“The Jews are both so brutal and strong that they purposely aim at children in hospitals and so pathetically weak that none of those children died.”
You’re really nailing the whole Goebbels angle here.
The Jews are both so brutal and strong that they purposely aim at children in hospitals and so pathetically weak that none of those children died.
That’s exactly right. Shoot to maim, cripple the hospital infrastructure to prevent aid, anaesthetics, water etc. To be provided so that they suffer the most gruesome pain as doctors struggle to treat them.
You’re really nailing the whole Goebbels angle here. We’re talking about Jews here. Those are your words, not mine.
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Because you clearly love terrorism.
Where did I imply I am happy about anything going on in this entire situation?
I am not arguing out of team loyalty. I’m correcting people saying incorrect things.
The IDF are not comic book villains. They’re an army fighting battles in a very populated city. What is happening is exactly what everyone said would happen.
It is not some weird child sniping event. It’s a fucking war zone and this is a tragedy. A tragedy that could have been prevented if terrorists weren’t fighting from within a hospital.
Do I think this could be handled better? Hell yes. Why the fuck are there still people in said hospital? Why was the first move upon approaching not to fortify somewhere nearby and invite all those people to come be protected?
You can be an asshole commanding troops to advance without protecting civilians without being a comic book villain.
With how intense this situation has become among people, I am of the belief that taking a bad thing and using language that magnifies it as much as possible is a bad idea. I’m arguing against doing that, and instead discussing reality.
- They have been harassing Jerusalem and other West Bank Palestinians alot lately, and have not let up since Ramadan (nearly 9 months ago). You can literally get an IDF tour guide to go harass Palestinians at the Temple Mount. They even bring their kids.
- They have been targeting hospitals for decades.
- They are contaminating West Bank water.
- They turn off West Bank water whenever they feel like it.
- Gaza isn’t an independent entity. Anyone who tries to trade with them gets on America’s bad list.
- They should have excepted by now that Gaza is not part of Israel. Funny enough, it was never part of the biblical Israel or Judah.
- Most importantly. Gaza cannot have allies. Gaza has no options. It was all calculated. Israel has even funded Hamas before. Yes, it’s all literally comic book villainry.
Lol, are you joking?
No, rather I am correct.
What percentage of the children do you think were ‘accidentally’ shot by snipers?
I think few to no children were shot, but many were injured via indirect means, as I think I pretty clearly lay out.
At the very minimum, it would be a rare occurrence for so many children to only be wounded if shot by a sniper rifle. It is unlikely, in general, that the wounds were from sniper rounds.
The majority of the injured were children and two are in critical condition as a result of sniper fire targeting the hospital, a Red Crescent statement said.
So they got injured running from sniper fire? Did the sniper pull off some James Bond shit and shoot a dangling object to fall on them?
Idk if you know this but sniper rifles are pretty powerful and fuck things up.
Thats correct , the IDF are the terrorists in this case. Reminding us what the literal and internationally recognised and ratified definition of terrorism and war crimes are . Nothing justifies this barbarity. They are the invaders, they could choose to walk away from the hospitals and the schools and the families and the innocent victims they are now choosing to murder, “wounded” as you claim isn’t a big deal, mentally torture, abuse and eventually further radicalise against them. Perhaps thats the intention , because the goal sure as hell isn’t peace. This is anti civilization and the world is watching. No one wins from this pornographic inhuman behaviour.
- Y’all seem to have made up your minds about the situation with very little information to go on.
- If there was a legitimate military target there, it’s not a war crime nor is it terrorism. It’s war.
- Hamas is known to store their resources in and around humanitarian and civilian buildings.
pornographic inhuman behaviour.
Pornographic?
If there was a legitimate military target there, it’s not a war crime nor is it terrorism. It’s war.
Hamas set up a base inside that child’s skull and we had to take it out
Those children really had it coming for being at a hospital. Thankfully the IOF never lies and is always the good guys when they murder children. It’s just their culture to see Hamas everywhere like a scary boogeyman that justifies all war crimes.
What do you think is more likely, Israelis are horrible cartoonish monsters who love attacking hospitals, or maybe, just maybe, all the many reports about Hamas actually using hospitals, mosques, and schoolyards to shield them from reprisals have some validity?
Here. While this information is available in all kinds of places, here’s a good video essay for a look into what’s happening in Israel / Palestine.
https://youtu.be/jBHAitSKtVs?si=eTe_7ZjgddQAKv2k
You may be uncomfortable grappling with the reality of it, and that’s alright.
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However, some criticisms they use to make the case for Apartheid I find unfair:
- Refusing Palestinians access to lands that were taken from them. (This curiously seems to omit the failed declarations of war against Israel, a major reason why these lands were lost and never returned, or the fact that these parties are currently belligerent. Letting them in while they are actively trying to kill them would be stupid.)
- Making Palestinians live in enclaves like Gaza, (whose situation is clearly a consequence of national belligerence and not racism.)
- Palestinians within Israel with full rights only exist to provide cover for apartheid. (…damned if you do, damned if you don’t.)
- Characterizing Gaza as occupied even after withdrawal, and suggesting that therefore Israel should keep providing them with supply lines even as Hamas attacks and tries to genocide them. (Absurd.)
- Gaza/West Bank cannot vote in Israeli elections. (They should let the people trying to kill them and outnumber them elect their leaders? K.)
- Demonstrations in Palestinian territories are illegal. (That’s because they historically kill a lot of people.)
- Water rights from Oslo agreement. (Well, they agreed to it!)
- Restrictions on Palestinian movements. Forcible separation via roads, checkpoints, walls… (Palestine is still a belligerent nation)
There are no flawless good guys here, only shades of grey. While there’s definitely room for improvement, all evidence indicates Israel treats Palestinians better than how things would be were the roles reversed. Palestine explicitly calls for genocide, and denial of Jewish rights, both popular sentiments. They too are theocratic, but far more hostile to minorities. They have a path to end all this through diplomacy anytime they want and remove most of the repressive conditions above, provided they are willing to make concessions. Without willingness for diplomatic solutions, Israel will continue to be driven to use the stick rather than the carrot and the realpolitik military situation does not favor Palestine.
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Thanks for the link, I learned some things. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms, and some that I don’t think hold water.
Israel has been a theocracy ever since they declared themselves to be the homeland of the Jews. As there are many lineages of Jews, and religious converts of any background qualify for Israeli citizenship one must assume they are referring to the religion and not the ethnicity when they made this declaration. A better analog than the US declaring itself the home of the white people, would be if Vatican City declared itself to be home of the Catholics, (and had a much bigger population, some of whom weren’t.) Still not great but different in some very relevant ways. This matters because the video then goes on to build a case from this faulty premise that Israel is an apartheid state because it employs systemic racial oppression and discrimination. However, this internal legalized discrimination doesn’t seem to be racial at all, in fact they have laws explicitly forbidding racism. Within Israel, what legal discrimination exists seems to be religious, or political and from the examples provided, manifests itself as:
- Right of return only applying to Jews (religious)
- Outlawing political parties and candidates who deny that Israel is a democratic state and a home to the Jews, (probably a response to Sharia and Palestinian attempts to deny Jews equality in their imagined one-state solution. Political and religious.)
- Withholding government funds from organizations that commemorate the Nakba, the “remember the Alamo!”-like rallying cry of their enemy (political)
- Jews are allowed to marry individuals from the West Bank or Gaza, Israeli Palestinians are not; many Palestinian spouses are prevented from living together in Israel (probably due to fears of anti-Jewish belligerents getting into the country through marriage and being outnumbered via fertility. Political and religious.)
- Inequities via the military court system and military administration of territories (political)
Theocracy isn’t great but not exactly racial discrimination either, although since ethnicity and religion overlap so much on the Palestinian side of this conflict I suppose it’s easy to use it as a proxy there. Less so on the Israeli side, which is comprised of many Jewish and Arab ethnicities.
Then there’s also extralegal discrimination, something most countries have to contend with, only moreso here. Citizens of countries at war are often unsurprisingly prejudiced against the groups that they are at war with, like how many Americans freaked out and became anti-Islamic after 9/11. I can only imagine how much worse that would have become if the attacks against the US were ongoing for a century. This generational hatred and cycle of violence has gone on so long in Israel that there certainly seems to be many social discrimination issues to be addressed, at all levels of society. Certainly among police and right-wing politicians. Some examples of inequities that are not because of current laws:
- There are still generational socioeconomic consequences to systemic discrimination of the past.
- Accusations that there are prejudiced people on public land use committees who interpret rules about culture and community standards in a discriminatory way, some who do so explicitly.
- Bibi seems like a little Trump working with the Likud party to intimidate voters. (Fuck them. It’ll be great to see them kicked out of power.)
- Unequal and often inhumane treatment of suspects and prisoners by the legal system.
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The same folks operating an apartheid and open air prison? The same ones that did the Nakba?
Yes, absolutely. The Israelis are mega racist
An open-air prison of Gaza’s own making, mind you. Probably an unwise idea to attack Egypt–whoops.
How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that’s actively trying to genocide them. What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.
The Arabs that stayed in Israel through the nakba seem to be doing pretty well, gee, maybe this situation isn’t about race after all, but rather it’s about safety like they have always claimed it is.
This comment makes no sense at all, dude. How in this wide world do you reckon an Israeli sniper would injure a child in a distant Gazan hospital, if not by shooting?
Shoots through a window. Kills a man. Bullet keeps going. Hits a respirator.
Or glass. Or debris. Or severs a power line.
And all of those things can only happen after an IDF sniper fires their rifle. You’re trying to say that these were accidents, but snipers don’t accidentally aim down the scope then oopsydaisy their finger onto the trigger.
No, they kill the people shooting at their forces.
Thus, it is the fault of the terrorists taking refuge in hospitals (again, a literal war crime), when collateral damage from a sniper round occurs.
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All it takes is a little bit of terrorism and war crimes from your military enemy and you too can finally shoot at a hospital totally legally
maybe if you risk shooting children you should wait with taking the shot
Is this the hospital that Hamas was shooting at people running out of it? That one guy in the back with his cane needed some help.
EDIT: that was Rantissi/Al Nusr
How many Hamas fighters did they get this time?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
RAMALLAH, Nov 10 (Reuters) - The Palestinian Red Crescent said on Friday that one person was killed and 28 others were wounded in a shooting by Israeli forces at Al-Quds hospital in Gaza, the organisation said.
The majority of the injured were children and two are in critical condition as a result of sniper fire targeting the hospital, a Red Crescent statement said.
Reuters is seeking comment from the Israeli military.
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Those Hamas fuckers using innocents. God what a shitty war.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments. We can’t trust Israel’s claims when it comes to human shields. They have a track record of lying about it. Check out what happened in the Great March of Return in 2021-- IDF snipers killed 185 unarmed adults and 35 children. Israel claimed each of them were being used as a human shield. However, “human shield” refers to civilian deaths when targeting militants in combat. If all those journalists, medics, children, and unarmed activists were human shields, who were they shielding? Killing that many unarmed protestors would be a war crime, if we bothered to hold a tribunal. Israel is using the fog of war today to make their claims seem reasonable, but just five years ago the IDF showed an undeniable pattern of killing innocent people then lying about it.
Furthermore, if we’re going to accept Israel’s claims that Hamas is using human shields and their flawed definition of what a “human shield” is, then we also must accept that Israel uses human shields, too. The majority of their military bases are in densely populated areas. Their army broadcasts from a residential tower. The IDF’s main HQ is in the middle of a residential and shopping sector in Tel Aviv. Is anyone accusing Israel of using human shields? On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
What this really is is a double standard. Israel uses the “human shield” defense for any civilian they kill in an attempt to give themselves international support under the color of law, but Hamas does not get that privilege and does not attempt to claim it.
The purpose of laws for international war is to create a standard that’s applied equally to everyone. Israel (and the US, too) seems to think that standard only applies to their enemies.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments
I, too, am tired of Hamas purposely encouraging civilian casualties.
On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
They absolutely would be doing this if the Iron Dome did not exist, and sometimes accomplish it even when it does.
Quick reminder this entire shitfestival began with Hamas murdering over a thousand innocent people directly.
If you honestly think this began on October 7th, 2023, then you should genuinely stay out of this discussion until you educate yourself on the last 100 years of history.
i mean if you want to bring up Palestine losing two separate wars and thus losing their land, and Hamas refusing every single peace treaty (even though the West Bank accepted the terms), feel free.
Bruh are you calling what’s going on in the West Bank peace? These people are the victims of an explicit genocide campaign.
No. I said that West Bank accepted peace treaties but Hamas refused them every single time, thus ending the treaties.
I’ll engage just in case, but yeah this is very wrong. First, until 2006 the West Bank and Gaza were under one government, so the idea that the West Bank alone accepted any terms is very interesting, to say the least. Second, Israeli bullshit peace offers are too many so just say which one you want and I’ll explain why it was bullshit. The only exception was the Oslo accords in 1993-1995, but those fell through when the Israeli PM was fucking assassinated by a Zionist and replaced by Bibi, who called the whole thing off.
The West Bank isn’t ruled by Hamas, they have zero presence there. You have a very limited perspective on this.
This war most assuredly began then as 0 IDF forces were in Gaza for years prior.
This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.
It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
If Hamas wasn’t stealing from Gazans, and didn’t exist as a political leader solely for the purpose of denying normalization of relations and Palestinian statehood while enforcing a less secular, more extremist state, you might have a point here.
Unfortunately for everyone, that’s why Hamas exists.
Why are you blaming an extremist militia for the circumstances that created them? Hamas didn’t exist before Israel started colonizing both Gaza and the West Bank. Not to mention the resources Zionists like Netanyahu funneled towards Hamas to help them get more powerful than the moderate coalition.
If Israel didn’t have Gaza under such an inhuman blockade/siege Hamas would be just as equipped, yet average citizens wouldn’t be starving in the streets.
To not acknowledge the direct hand Israeli military and government has had in causing this is frustratingly naive.
oh man hamas are known for being very honourable regarding war crimes. we should defend them.
This is ironic because it’s the exact attitude that lots of people have about the IDF
yes that was the point
No one defends Hamas here, but one Evel doesn’t give you the moral high ground to do an even bigger evil. I wonder in what world killing 1 civilian is condemned more than killing 10 civilians, destroying their homes, starving them and then telling everyone else oh but he killed this one person.
Israel is supposed to be the side which should try to de-escalate, especially considering the military superiority they have. What we see is quite the opposite.
how would you de-escalate the slaughter of 823 civilians, 276 soldiers, 57 policemen and 10 Shin Bet members, and the capturing of 247 civilians and soldiers, annnd the 100–200 civilians and soldiers missing?
Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that. I mean shit, Hamas said they didn’t do the 7th of October Massacres and then 24-hours later said that they did do it–not very reliable.
Regardless, Israel has no obligation to supply the state that just attacked them with resources.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
bruh i literally said that the numbers are changing often. If you want to argue that the casualties are way higher, feel free.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
None, no innocents should die. On the day, Hamas should never have attacked Israel, and Israel should’ve listened to Egypt’s warnings.
On the other hand, if Israel had treated Palestinians respectfully the whole time, Hamas wouldn’t exist today. It is kind of naive to blame only one of the sides for this conflict. Plus, just looking at the numbers Israel had killed and injured historically way more Palestinians.
They did so much wrong and I don’t see you condemning them about it. In a perfect world this would have not happened but it happened. You can check the human rights violations committed against Palestinians over time, Wikipedia, human rights reports, the UN, etc. but still Israel is playing the victim here, where they are literally the aggressor.
Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that.
Well too bad, because UNICEF does.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/world/gaza-death-toll-accuracy-unicef-intl-hnk/index.html
Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.
This is actually false, and if you stopped to Google your claims before you posted a comment you would know that. It’s kinda silly that you posted incorrect info then asked someone replying to you for sources to back up their claims :)
I did source my claim.
You provided a source for “ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing”?
And that explains innocents getting killed and injured by sniper fire?
Here’s a thought: don’t shoot at hospitals.
So Hamas will just shoot from hospitals without getting any backfire?
So, let the people posted up in the hospitals shoot you without returning fire?
So you’re saying there’d be no violence if the Israeli military just stayed away from the hospital?
Nah, the violence would find it’s way into Israel and a shit ton of civilians would be murdered. Remember October 7th when The IDF wasn’t near any hospitals in Gaza?
So I can go on and on about how this isn’t how that works, but I’d recommend reading this article where an expert explains the situation in Palestine. The short of it: Israeli presence in Palestine is a violent military occupation; the status quo in Palestine is already violent.
I’m saying there wouldn’t be violence in hospitals if Hamas didn’t use hospitals as bases and firing platforms.
There wouldn’t be any of this war happening if Hamas wasn’t full of monsters who do not value human lives.
Imagine if Hamas just… Governed. Provided for their people. Shared some of the billions of dollars in their war chest to, you know, do what a government is supposed to do.
Instead they openly admit to attempting to maximize civilian casualties because it generates support for them and criticism from Israel.
Gazans are innocent civilians. Hamas is not. Hamas is a terrorist organization that runs Gaza like the mafia and steals from Gazans while also getting as many Gazans killed as.possible, intentionally.
Imagine if Hamas just… Governed. Provided for their people. Shared some of the billions of dollars in their war chest to, you know, do what a government is supposed to do.
Take a look at the blockade (which happened before Hamas became in charge of Gaza) and say that again.
Ok. I did. I still feel the exact same way.
So I know this is pointless, but I’ll bite.
How do you expect a country that depends on trade with the outside world to make it when cut off from said trade? Israel killed the Gazan (and Palestinian at large, but Gazan in particular) economy in 2005/2006.
That’s what they avoid doing, which is why Hamas sets bases up inside hospitals.
They didn’t avoid doing it? That’s why the story was posted? If they were targeting Hamas, why were the majority of victims children? When they were snipers? Are Israeli snipers really just that shit?
It’s not a story. It’s coming from an organisation entirely based within Palestine. Until independents verify Red Crescent’s claims, it’s as reputable as the IDF’s claims that they did not.
Remember the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion. Best wait until others can verify these claims.
Does Red Crescent have a history that would make us disbelieve their claims in this situation? They didn’t do anything crazy like shoot at and kill innocent, unarmed people two years ago during the Great March of Return then attempt to cover it up by saying they were “human shields” after the fact, right? Because if an organization did something like that, it would be good reason to distrust future claims from that organization.
Thankfully, googling “red crescent great march of return” doesn’t show them firing live rounds or tear gas canisters into crowds of peaceful, unarmed protestors, because imagine how bad it would look if you did something like that two years ago then tried to use the same excuse today for attacking a hospital!
Yes, that’s my point that their claims are as reputable as IDF’s claims.
Just curious, are you ESL? This is twice now in this comment section where it seems like you misunderstand what a comment is saying in a fundamental way
Is it really an excuse to kill 10 times as many civilians, most of which are children?
This is your chance to add a /s
