Opposition motions calling for a range of economic and diplomatic sanctions, including the expulsion of Israel’s ambassador in Dublin Dana Erlich, were defeated in the Dail on Wednesday evening.

Proposals for Ireland to refer Israel to the International Criminal Court (ICC) were also voted down.

While the Government did not expel Russia’s ambassador after the invasion of Ukraine, it did back EU sanctions against Vladimir Putin’s regime and also referred its actions to the ICC.

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      “evil side” is both ridiciously under complex and unhelpful in regards to most geopolitical conflicts and in particular in the case of Israel and Palestine.

      But if you want to think of good and evil, the Palestinians did not deny food, water, medicine, electricity, fuel and communications to more than two million people, while directly killing ten times as many people as the other side did.

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        Well, I grant you that it’s indeed complex if you look at the Westbank. But with Gaza and the Hamas? Hell no. Hamas main objective is wiping out the Jewish people. If Israel were comparable to them, then they’d not waste any time with carefully taking over the city, they’d just dump napalm on it and reduce the population to 0.

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          So it doesnt matter how many innocent people you kill, but how many you say you want to kill?

          Also how the fuck do you end up with saying all more than two million people in Gaza are evil and deserve to get killed with impu ity because of the actions of a group that has about 20.000-25.000 members?

          That is textbook definition of collective punishment and a typical war crime.

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            Well, crimes and morals are largely about intend. The point here is that you should be glad that it’s Israel and not Hamas having the upper hand here. The situation in Gaza is bad, but it’s not even remotely comparable to what would happen if the roles were reversed.

            And no, it’s not a war crime to put your enemy under a siege. It only becomes a war crime if the main goal is to hurt civilians. As long your targets are enemy comabats colleteral damage tends to be legal. Yes, that is horrible, but horrible is what war is. And it’s Hamas that started this war.

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              collateral damage isnt legal by default. That would also be a get out of jail free card then, since all you need is the intend to hit one military target. collateral damage need to be proportional to the military target. and that it isnt here

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                Of course it’s not “legal by default”. But in Gaza it seems to be more or less proportional. There’s thousands of terrorists among the people killed by the IDF. That’s a lot of military targets and therefore likely makes these actions proportional.

                It’s also important to remember that Hamas is causing most of these civilians deaths. If they weren’t committing war crimes like using hospitals for military purposes, there’d be far fewer civilians deaths. You simply can’t blame the side that is forced to fire upon these multi-use targets. Otherwise you’d be rewarding a war crime.

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                  . There’s thousands of terrorists among the people killed by the IDF.

                  Says the IDF. The same IDF that murders journalists while they wear press vests.

                  . You simply can’t blame the side that is forced to fire upon these multi-use targets. Otherwise you’d be rewarding a war crime.

                  With the same logic you couldnt blame Hamas for shootingtheir rokets like this, because they cant build GPS guided ones.

                  Of course i can blame and every human rights organisation as well as the UN and experts on international law are doing so

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                    With the same logic you couldnt blame Hamas for shootingtheir rokets like this, because they cant build GPS guided ones.

                    No. That’s indiscriminate bombing which is illegal. You actually have to aim at a military target. Which hamas could btw. There are Israeli bases out in the desert. They chose to aim at cities.

                    Edit: Also, not saying that “experts on international law” were blaming Israel is nonsense. There’s some that think that Israel is overstepping in somes areas but that’s about it. In this recent conflices Israel appears to be in a grey area (the west bank settlements are another story, they’re clearly illegaly). Only Hamas is clearly committing crimes against humanity. For Israel it’s more a case of pushing the envelope (which I don’t support either, but it’s still not remotely comparable to ignoring international law alltogether). Here’s a summary.