With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
Brings back memories of dehumanised people, that of all the people in the world, Israelis were expected to never want to see again the most
And they still call themselves democratic country. Very democratic of them to humiliate human beings whose only fault is that they are of “military age” and not evacuated to the south. Apparently for Israel all males in Gaza are guilty until proven otherwise.
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if you bother to think about it that’s highly unlikely.
When people say shit like this it makes me wonder how divorced from reality they are… do you really think it’s highly unlikely that the IDF did this after their other wonderful works:
- Filming themselves humiliating prisoners and others detained for no charge
- Repeatedly killing journalists then denying it. One example, and here is a report detailing the rest of those journalists, dead or detained.
- Killing 130 UN workers
- All these statements made by IDF soldiers about their systematic mistreatment, abuse, and torture of Palestinians, namely in Hebron
It is absolutely highly likely that the IDF has not stopped this.
I don’t even want to start with the stories of some of those Israel detained without a charge because it’s fucking tragic. One named Israa, her story is gut-wrenching and one in hundreds. This is what happened after her car broke down by a checkpoint:
She tried to open the windows, but they, too, were affected by the electrical failure. Again, she tried to exit the car, opening the door, but the officer rushed over and slammed it shut, crushing her hand. She yelled “Allahu Akbar ’alaiku” (God is greater than you are), chastising him several times for not allowing her to escape. She urged him to let her out as fire ignited in the front part of the car. He refused. He stood there, watching her burn inside. The airbag deployed, completely trapping her inside the blazing car.
The police officer who stopped her claimed that she was trying to use the propane tank to blow up the car. His testimony was the only one considered in the Israeli court, and Israa’ was branded a ‘terrorist’. She was sentenced to 11 years in prison. She is now serving her term at HaSharon prison inside Israel, and is denied much needed medical attention. After her debilitating injuries and imprisonment, her husband also suffered a car accident, leaving him permanently disabled and confined to a wheelchair. Their son, Mu’tasim, is now living with his grandmother in Jerusalem.
She was recently released. I’ll leave a picture of her face just so we don’t forget what kind of shit the IDF does
The example you have used appears to be a very unfortunate set of events. If you can put yourself in the soldiers place they were either worried about a car bomb attack (with the yells of god is great from a stopped car at a checkpoint it’s not that far fetched really) or they were psychopathic if how you are telling it is true. I don’t know the answer, they may well have been both. If it was an unfortunate set of events and the soldier was not psychopathic I could imagine they would probably feel at least some regret over the incident, I mean who wouldn’t? I don’t know
I find it hard to put myself in the place of a police officer who left a woman inside a burning car to explode.
You have got to be some kind of human fucking scum to be okay with this or excuse it in any way. This woman deserves better.
I’m glad you agree it’s an unfortunate set of events. How about what followed? She was denied medical treatment in prison. The Israeli judge who sentenced her did not do her justice, and she was mistreated in prison.
Is this justified? I can share many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many more fucking stories of the same caliber. Please don’t ignore the fact that Israa’s story is not that unique (sadly).
Finally the only people who were able to release her from the shackles of Israel is a terrorist organization… when you have Hamas do the work of the UN, you have got to stop to think about just how wrong Israel is.
Also have you checked the link to Breaking the Silence?
They have this REALLY LOVELY FUCKING TAB ON THE LEFT where you can choose the testimonies you would like to read about the IDF, such as “looting”, or “assassinations” or “rules of engagement”. All the videos will kick your heart in the gut. And they should. Because what kind of beings are we if it doesn’t kick us in the fucking gut?
Ok I’ll have a look
Ah yes, another apologist. I am sure if Israeli men were stripped and publicly humiliated like this, you would have been the first person to condemn it, but since it is just Palestinians who everyone knows are only Hamas supporters (/s) is just fine, right.
So perhaps you should think twice about who is “full of shit” here having double standards.
No I wouldn’t, this is what happens in a war zone. When the Americans were in the pacific they couldn’t trust the Japanese to surrender so they assumed they were dangerous, the ones that didn’t are probably dead. And also if I can recall, the last military operation from the Palestinian side the people weren’t really rounded up as much as slayed in their homes. The ones that were rounded up ended up being taken hostage. Hold on, I’m the one with double standards. Both sides have done shit I wouldn’t apologise for either side. There will never be peace as long as one side thinks and acts like they are completely innocent
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Removed. You have it backwards:
“Even if only one of these people are combatants I would argue it’s justified for everyone’s safety”
In actuality it should be “Even if only one of these people are innocents I would argue it’s not justified for everyone’s human dignity.”
I understand what you’re saying but this is a different reality. The world you’re talking about needs a certain degree of civility to before it can be seen as reasonable. I know you won’t like this but being a soldier is usually an occupation. The job is to keep things secure. This is for both your own wellbeing and to complete the objective because everyone wants to finish the job and go home safely at the end of the day. Unfortunately sometimes it’s impossible to consider everyone’s feelings in every situation. I agree 100% that if you were a totally innocent person and you got rounded up and stripped it would be absolutely bullshit and unfair. I also think if you were a soldier following orders and you had half your face and arm blown off you would think that was unfair as well
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Ah yes, stripping naked people and keeping them in the cold for hours and hours and then streaming this online is all because of the safety of Israel. How dare I question their sound judgement, right? So international laws don’t apply to Israel either, that’s my friend what I call double standards.
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Simple math comes to mind 1200 killed vs 17.000+, that’s about 14 times more.
Shall we also talk about the displacement of millions of people who were forced out of their homes, are struggling to get food, proper health care, and not having fuel or electricity. Are not able to escape outside Gaza.
What Hamas did was horrible, but shall we not expect a bit higher standards from Israel?
Didn’t they actively cause a humanitarian catastrophe affecting 2.4Mln people, half of which are children. Aren’t the Gazans struggling to get the basics like food and water? Do they have proper sanitation, electricity, or fuel? And who’s to blame all of this? Who is bombing their homes, preventing adequate quantities of food and water to reach the civilians, who is blocking international aid, besieging hospitals and have very little respect for human lives? Damn, even your closest ally is telling you that what you are doing is wrong and you still claim that Israel has the high moral ground.
Yes 7th of October was disastrous but what Israel is doing is nothing less than collective punishment and for any sane person this should be pretty obvious. You don’t need to be a genius to see that one evil doesn’t excuse another evil.
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It doesn’t excuse it, it calls for it.
Thanks, Hitler.
Oh, can you please answer the following questions:
- How many Israelis are currently displaced?
- How many Israelis lost their houses?
- How many Israelis are living in makeshift tents or sleeping on the floor of hospitals?
- How many Israelis don’t have access to drinking water, or electricity or fuel or food?
- How many Israelis needed to evacuate on foot because of lack of fuel?
- Can displaced Israelis leave Israel easily?
- How many times did Israelis evacuate?
- How many Israelis are actively bombed? And by actively bombed I mean hundreds being killed everyday?
- How many Israelis don’t have access to proper healthcare?
And now replace Israelis with Gazans and answer the same questions.
Why would you expect this?
Oh so now you are openly admitting that Israel isn’t any better than a terrorist organization. Well done mate!
Saying that 50-60 trucks a day even 200 can satisfy the needs of 2.4Mln people is very hypocritical of you. Don’t forget that Israel isn’t doing anything to alleviate this situation and quite the opposite trying to make it even worse, punishing again civilian population. Mind you there aren’t any established humanitarian corridors, designated safe places, the north is more or less entirely cut and delivering aid there is next to impossible etc. so how easy would be to distribute this aid.
And speaking of economical recovery, if you think that Israel would have a hard time to recover tell me how much harder that recovery would be in Gaza. Where in the north according to independent estimates 50-60% of the civilian infrastructure is damaged and 20% in the south.
And by now it is quite obvious that you are extremely biased. But yes, still thinking that Israel are the only victim here and they are not to blame for anything. Not even for the impunity of violent settlers with which they are persecuting Palestinians in the West bank, or any other well documented human rights violations, which all those “corrupted” human rights watch groups have documented.
You know when everyone is saying that you are not doing enough to protect civilian population in Gaza, even your closest ally the US is saying this is time to look very good in the mirror and ask yourself whether they are all wrong or perhaps you are in the wrong.
How many Israelis are currently displaced?
About 650,000.
In the 20th century, approximately 900,000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia. Primarily a consequence of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the mass movement mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s, with one final exodus of Iranian Jews occurring shortly after the Islamic Revolution in 1979–1980. An estimated 650,000 (72%) of these Jews resettled in Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_worldHow many Israelis lost their houses?
I’m not sure how many homes that 650,000 owned but I suspect a lot of them.
Your list of grievances are because Palestine is still at war with Israel. To attack a country and not expect reprisals and negative consequences for civilians is pretending the realities of war don’t exist. Peace is the path to ending said grievances.
Think about what you’re saying
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Atrocities are perpetrated on both sides. That doesn’t excuse either of them nor does it justify committing them.
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That is not true, Israel is an state bound by international law, it must respect human rights, can not do this to anyone.
Hamas is not an state, can be considered a criminal organization and Israel state can fight it inside law limits. No state can, should not (in theory) carpet bombing civilians, killing thounsands of them, including children, in order to kill some hundreds of criminals.
Israel is an occupying state, palestinians has the right to rise against the Israel state.
And finally, why are IDF soldiers killing palestinians in Cisjordania?, Hamas is not there, the attacks did not not come from that place.
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Correct, but if one side fights dirty, the other side has every right to stupe down to that level.
Ah so you mean to say October 7th was justified then.
No.
Just no.
This reasoning is literally the kind of stuff we hanged Nazis for. Collective punishment is a war crime. Leave the civilians alone.
War? Don’t wars usually have sovereign nations on each side, fielding actual militaries and such. Looks more like an ethnic cleansing operation to me. By one sovereign nation on an ethnically defined and enforced internal enclave that isn’t even recognized to be a real place by half the world
The military on one side are a group of cowards hiding behind civilians and under their infrastructure. There are two sides here. The government of Gaza aka terrorist group Hamas vs Israel.
If the existence of Hamas among Gazans makes them all terrorists then I guess the IDF makes Israel a terrorist state.
Anything other than that is a double standard.
Israel has yet to even prove the tunnels are in use. All it is right now is a ready built excuse to carpet bomb any urban area in the world. Because they are all riddled with tunnels.
FFS is that where the latest goalposts have been moved to now? Go check out the Hamas propaganda. They’ve shown enough videos of them using the tunnels.
And stripping them of clothes? The only POW pictures I ever saw like that came from Abu Ghraib. Probably because it’s a war crime. Nobody is objecting to the control measures.
They don’t care about Israeli soldiers’ lives. Don’t bother.
That’s how war works. You think it’s all hugs and love in a war? What if one of them have a suicide bomb belt? You might want to look into how US army treats the locals in Iraq war. Every war has war crimes(so far I don’t see any committed by Israel). Every war has civilian casualties. Some people are fixated on civilians death from bombings. Well, if they are bombing Hamas targets and there are civilians, that’s just how any country would have done it. US did the same. Any country would do the same. So let’s get off your high horse and start criticizing both sides. I haven’t heard any liberals pointing finger at the Hamas. It’s sickening.
That other countries would do it too does in no way make it morally justified, it just makes those countries monstrous as well.
Hamas are horrible terrorists. There, your first liberal pointing a finger at Hamas. Now, consider what the point of critique is. Will Hamas ever care about western criticism? No. Will Israel ever care? Maybe. They depend on Western support in their political and economic stability. Therefore continued scrutiny and criticism of Israel has a chance of actually making a difference.
Also, only one of them is currently doing something that looks a lot like genocide.
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Oh hey, sure. I can tell you exactly how we did it in Iraq. On both counts. So when you first make contact with the person you’re going to detain you have them stop at a distance. Then someone with a thermal sight looks at them through the sight and it’s readily apparent if they have a bomb vest on. I mean there’s no chance of not seeing it. But it could be something like a money belt or an armor vest. So you have them disrobe if, and only if, the guy with the thermal sight says it needs to happen. At that point if it is a vest and they’re cooperative it’s an EOD problem. If they aren’t cooperative, well that sucks.
The key thing here though, is in the 99.9 percent of cases it’s not a vest, or there was no positive indication, they keep their fucking clothes. Just like your local PD is capable of searching you without stripping you, so is your friendly neighborhood infantry platoon.
Now about bombing. Before you can drop any ordinance you have to first answer a few questions.
*Is this structure currently being used by the enemy?
*Are there signs of civilians, or is it somewhere we would reasonably expect them to be? (Such as an apartment)
*Is this structure on the protected targets list? (Oh yeah we spent time creating lists of things not to shoot at if possible.)
If the answer is yes to the first and any of the others we then also need to figure out if it rises to a level where bombing it is appropriate. For example, bombing an apartment building because there’s 12 guys there is a war crime. But if there’s a Battalion dug in there, then yeah it’s legitimate.
What Israel has been doing is scanning satellite and drone footage for anything that looks like it could be the entrance hatch to a tunnel and bombing that. No matter where it is and with no evidence as to whether it’s a maintenance tunnel or the yet to be found super secret bad guy hang out. If I did that in Iraq I’d have been brought up on charges. They tried to bring me up on charges for firing a warning shot. So please tell me more about how, this is just the way it’s done. I’ll be over here shining my CIB, waiting for the answer.
I’m not the person you asked this question to but wanted to answer anyway:
*Is this structure currently being used by the enemy?
No. It was a refugee camp.
*Are there signs of civilians, or is it somewhere we would reasonably expect them to be? (Such as an apartment)
Yes
*Is this structure on the protected targets list? (Oh yeah we spent time creating lists of things not to shoot at if possible.)
Not sure about the list Israel has, but yeah refugee camps should be in there.
Israel has practically assassinated so many doctors in Gaza by killing them all when they return home to check on their families. 16 of them died in their own home, not in service, with a large portion of their families. Israel knows what it’s doing. It knows where targets and non-targets are… it’s just that they decided that medical professionals and 4 year old girls are targets.
For the record I lost all confidence in the IDF to discern targets correctly when Reuters reported the IDF fired on a press group who were just standing around in the open.
Here are some Lebanon “incidents”
- Journalist Rif and her colleagues from Al Jadeed are attacked directly while on air
- Issam Abdullah, the guy from Reuters. (some footage here). Another journalist there, Christine, had to have her leg amputated, and the first thing she screamed was ‘Fuck, fuck, fuck, I can’t feel my legs’
- Farah and Rabee’, two journalists from Al Mayadeen, were also killed by Israel on the Lebenese border
There is another video of a crew of journalists who had their vehicle bombed twice by the IDF. Luckily, they managed to escape before being killed. I couldn’t find this video but if someone has it please do share.
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Every single time Israel commits a war crime someone is like “tHatS jUsT wAr oKay?”
That’s not what Israel said about October 7th is it?
So why should be Palestinians settle for it?
So why should be Palestinians settle for it?
Because they don’t have the means to fight back and win. Because if they insist on intifada they will end up with nothing.
Ah okay so we should then just accept a genocide. Bravo.
Only if you redefine genocide so much that the term is meaningless. Israel is obviously not trying to eradicate an ethnic group. High civilian casualties via collateral damage does not a genocide make.
So you’re saying all those experts at the UN “redefined genocide”?
Oh the mental equilibristics to try to excuse war crimes and clear dehumanization from Israel. Seriously you should ask what kind of a person you are if you defend them.
Maybe address the arguments being made rather than the ones making them. Not everyone thinks these are war crimes, and whatever dehumanization you see here could very well be for security reasons and not Abu Ghraib style psychological warfare.
Whether or lot they are war crimes is not a matter of taste. Your argument is stupid. We’re not waiting for your opinion on This.
Withholding fuel and water and meds from a population is collective punishment. Causing starvation in the population shows intent to kill them. Documents detailing how Israel wants to push Gazans into Egypt is intent to commit ethnic cleansing.
Somehow YOU think you are smarter than all the human rights experts. Meanwhile, a genocide is unfolding.
I don’t usually wish evil upon people but I do hope you one day get to experience such a degrading treatment personally. Let’s see if you then find a “security reason” for it as they look up your ass to check if you have weapons, then keep you in an undisclosed location on your knees like a dog, then you never get released, and fast forward for 10 years and you’re still a prisoner of Israel despite having no charge and you get tortured in prison all the time. But don’t worry, I’m sure it’s all JUST SECURITY
And they still call themselves democratic country. Very democratic of them to humiliate human beings whose only fault is that they are of “military age” and not evacuated to the south.
What exactly do you think democracy means and why does this run contrary to it? Democratic countries go to war all the time, especially when attacked. Perhaps this is about disarming and searching potential hostiles and not humiliation.
Apparently for Israel all males in Gaza are guilty until proven otherwise.
In the evacuation zone? Yes, and they have stated as such, everyone there will be considered a potential enemy combatant.
‘Evacuation zone’ aka these peoples homes and communities, where many other civilians need rescue and aid. No no please keep supporting the idea that 2 million people can just move to an undeveloped plain and have all aid including food, water and shelter withheld. Collective punishment is a war crime.
Monstrous take. Do better.
When nations go to war they go to war collectively, everyone who lives in said nations will have to all share the negative consequences of doing so. That is how war works. Counter-attacking a belligerent nation that attacked you and cutting off their supply lines is not collective punishment as in the war crime. That only applies when they are occupied, and Israel withdrew from Gaza and has not occupied it since 2005.
Inaccurate concern trolling, attempting to to bind Israel’s hands and deny them from achieving meaningful safety. Do better.
everyone there will be considered a potential enemy combatant.
Israel thinks its god, doesn’t it? Announces a military zone anywhere at all, then shoots people there right and left. What we have left is entire families wiped out, and 7k dead children, and a few thousands that are so traumatized and radicalized now that Israel has effectively set the stage for the rise of the next Hamas.
Thank you Israel 👏 you have indeed saved us all 👏 👏 /s
Counter-attacking a belligerent nation != thinking itself god. You keep making these absurd statements…
Counter-attacking a belligerent nation
Nothing happened before Oct 7th in your mind.
Do you have a copy of Mein-Kampf on your nightstand?
A textbook genocide with daily war crimes.
Israel has lost the war. Young people don’t like Israel. Right wingers hate Jews. Leftists hate apartheid. There is no way out.
Military, oil, and other megacorporations love Israel though.
Majority opinion doesn’t matter as much as that of the capitalist ruling class under capitalism, unless there’s massive protests and riots.
Why does oil love Israel?
Israel is America’s military base to surpress the middle east with. And America uses it to kill governments that don’t want to give them free oil or use the petro dollar.
Keeping the middle east divided and at war gets them better deals.
They’d be better off destroying OPEC not Gaza
Not sure if it’s true but I’ve heard there are huge oil reserves off the coast of Gaza.
Lots of right leaning conservatives in America dick ride the Zionists.
But ig they don’t represent all right wingers
The issue is bipartisan. Dems love Israel just the same it seems.
Democrats in power are fully bought by the israeli AIPAC lobby. Joe Biden is a major recipient of israeli bribes.
Israel is currently spending 100 million to replace the Democrats that don’t support their apartheid, such as Ilhan Omar or AOC. https://newrepublic.com/post/176959/aipac-spending-target-squad-2024-election
And then the Democrats feign outrage about foreign interference in US elections. Just like they (rightly) say we have to defeat Trump to save democracy, all while actively rigging the 2024 primary - even canceling it in states like Florida.
Democrats are a far bit better than Republicans, but they are sure doing everything possible to undermine their own messaging.
At least with republicans you know they’re awful from the jump they don’t really try to hide their shit baggery. Dems try to play the good guy but are like wolves in sheep’s clothing
ywah absolutely
You got the Christo-Con old guard Republicans who will drop to their knees at the drop of a hat to suck the nearest Israeli’s dick. They make up majority of the over-60s, which is frankly a pretty major segment of the Republicans. These are the guys who will automatically side with our greatest ally regardless of context.
Trump-leaning but not fanatical Republicans tend to be pro-Zionism or at the very least they are neutral to it. I feel like this group is exceedingly small.
But MAGA-ers? It’s hard to place them. You get a mix bag of hardcore Zionists, white nationalists, libertarians who are against the funding, it’s all over the fucking place.
I do feel like Zionism is dropping among Republicans year by year.
Let’s see Bean Shapeepee cope with this
They haven’t lost anything. They have the full support of almost the entirety of the US government, hence the $100+ billion in additional funding on top of the billions they already receive every single year. Although the tides are changing, they’re changing so slowly that any trace of Palestine will likely be wiped off the map long before the possibility of a majority Palestinian-favoring congress ever forms. Israel are accelerating their ethnic cleansing efforts to ensure this.
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There are no more corners to cut from Israel’s holocaust victim card
This is the best summary I could come up with:
With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
Asked about the video, a spokesman for the Israeli government told the BBC the men detained were all of military age and had been “discovered in areas that civilians were supposed to have evacuated weeks ago”.
In the video, dozens of men are lined up on a pavement and appear to have been told to remove their shoes, which are scattered across the road.
Another image - which has not yet been verified by the BBC - shows men blindfolded, kneeling in what appears to be a large pit of bulldozed sand.
On Friday, Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy told the BBC the men had been detained in Jabalia and Shejaiya in northern Gaza, which he described as “Hamas strongholds and centres of gravity”.
It added that soldiers forced the men to remove their clothes and “subjected them to invasive searches and humiliating treatment upon their arrest, prior to transporting them to undisclosed locations”.
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Oh look more war crimes.
You are in fact supposed to give them their clothes back after you make sure there’s nothing bad in them. This kind of humiliation is a form of torture.
Before someone asks, I’m pretty sure they aren’t going anywhere with hoods and cuffs on.
The IDF actually staged a video where they forced one guy in his underwear to hold a gun and put it down somewhere as to pretend that they were combatants…
https://youtu.be/qd1rR_UNSFg?si=QKBX7POCVzPXbQBW
Also a plethora of women saying the IDF stripped them, beat them and threatened to rape them. Disgusting barbarians.
Even if it wasn’t staged, are they “Hamas fighters” for owning rifles? I don’t see any of the missles and weapons Hamas are known to own and produce. This is even less stuff than they “found” in the MRI machine in that hospital after all those people they killed.
Israeli citizens and namely settlers have been getting licenses for weapons since October 7th. This is, of course, totally acceptable because they’re Israelis and Jews.
Anyone else doing that is a terrorist and must be neutralized, alongside every member of their families 🙄
And if all of this is a security concern, why did they even publish such pictures that clearly give them really bad PR?
Bravo, Israel, you are just showing us you’re willing to go full Satan.
If he was holding the gun while he was surrendering him it would be justified, which is what they’re seemingly trying to stage in this video.
The problem is that the man got the gun in one hand in one video, the gun is then in his other hand in the next video, which proves it was a retake of the same act.
They quickly deleted the second Twitter video in classic IDF fashion when they see they leaked propaganda evidence.
And somehow he’s allowed to have a gun while being in his underwear…
Seems just a tad too suspicious.
And somehow he’s allowed to have a gun while being in his underwear…
Yes, somehow he was stripped before the rifle was taken away from him. Totally “checks out”.
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Do we know whether those are civilians or Hamas members? IDF tells those are terrorists, al jazeera says the right opposite. None of them can be considered trustworthy, so that’s why I am asking whether someone knows more.
It doesn’t matter. Prisoners are out of the fight and should be treated humanely. Putting hoods on them and tying them up are control measures. Keeping their clothes is just a form of humiliation torture.
so even taking some clothes off can be understandable because there is a suspicions they have bombs tied to them. However, you can do one check and then give them the clothes back.
Yes, the fact that they are all sat down with no clothes is very wrong. They should have had their clothes returned.
Just a correction, they weren’t “sat down”. They were forced on their knees. It just gets uglier and uglier.
The people released so far were civilians and reported other civilians and family members bought* there. One is a journalist, not released yet, no idea where he is. They are in undisclosed locations and their families don’t even know. No weapons were found or ceased. The IDF itself says they took them purely for being Palestinian men in the north. They pulled them directly from a refugee camp where families were sheltering. The women there were threatened at gunpoint. They didn’t “surrender”.
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That’s honestly sad. I understand the need to check whether they don’t have weapons but tying them like this is too much. And then even the recording screams, “see how we dehumanize them.”
I mean, it literally violates the Geneva convention on POWs, even if they are Hamas it’s literally immoral either way
I expect Hamas does the same but also you should never drop to Hamas’s level.
fundamentally “but X does it too” is a whataboutism, Germany did the holocaust, does that mean we should have put the Germans in camps?
Exactly, hence why answer is formulated in a way that we should not drop to others’ level and do something bad because others are doing something bar, as well.
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Fighting age men, in groups, in an active combat zone, when everyone else is evacuated. 🤔
The IDF showed restraint and it’s interesting to see the pro-hamas crowd trying to spin this as bad.
Honestly given what you can see a better headline for this would be, ‘Hamas unit with embedded journalist throws down weapons and surrenders to IDF after realising Hamas actually is just trying to kill Palestinians for propaganda’
Oh no. Unarmed people not in a uniform what do we do? Such a moral dilemma?!?
Oh wait. Nope. You leave them the fuck alone. You can’t arrest an entire city for existing.
Who said that? Are you quoting yourself? IDF has been clear they will attack Hamas wherever they are found, even in the south. The evacuation zone is where they will consider those who remain potential enemy combatants and where the heaviest bombing is.
You are right. The IDF is clear about the fact that it’s committing war crimes in Gaza.
Would you evacuate the south knowing too well Israel is bombing you on on the way, in the south, and in the north?
You know who these “Palestinian men” are?
Civilians, most likely. Why, are you okay with treating ANY human being like this?
But of course the IDF won’t say who they are or why they are holding them in this position that with all honestly invokes images similar to the holocaust or some other fucked up human tragedy.
Edit: I think your comment is quite shameful. It is an attempt at excusing Israel’s humiliating treatment of Palestinians. If you read the article, these people were arrested for simply being men and for being in the North of Gaza… And yeah, you’ll probably think anyone in the north deserves to die after Israel told people to evacuate… Even though it bombed them in the North and South and in their homes and shops and streets and everywhere they go. Fuck Israel. Zionism is facism. This is facism. And supporting it is supporting a Hiterly figure who dehumanized Palestinians like Hitler dehumanized Jews. When I see someone see these images and still excuse the crimes of Israel, it makes me hate living in this world.
What makes you assume they are civilians, and shouldn’t this be verified? That’s the nature of war; It seems provoking one wasn’t the best idea. Strip searching them and arresting them is pretty humane considering the alternatives.
For starters one of them was a journalist and he is still detained.
Edit: I think you’re turning a blind eye to this. Look at the pictures again. Would a “democracy” do this? Or does it look more like something from a chapter in a history book?
Would a “democracy” do this?
A democracy literally is doing this.
It should be stripped of this self-acclaimed title.
It’s an illegitimate apartheid state
You know that a “democracy” doesn’t mean “a good country”, right? Democracies can do war crimes just as well as dictatorships. It’s irrelevant.
Edit: typo
Yeah, you’re right… Israel is a shitty democracy.
Edit: at a second thought, are you really a democracy if you run an apartheid system?
They’re torturing and interrogating them. That’s literally the story here.
You think a strip search is torture?
Yes, humiliation with no purpose is torture.
Translation: “OH this inhumane treatment of Palestinians, noooooo, that’s just the special Israeli strip search technique! You strip them, you beat them, you make them do 5 minutes of montage, you take them to the desert, blindfolded, naked, humiliated, like a photo from a history book, and then you make then kneel for 3 hours. Meanwhile they have no idea where their wives or children are, and vice versa. They don’t even know what location we brought them TO. AND THAT IS THE GREAT AND AMAZING ISRAELI STRIP SEARCH TECHNIQUE. How dare you call this torture? They were KHAMAS suspects!!”
It’s dehumanizing behavior, it’s literally in the Holocaust museum described as such.
Every time I see your comments I just imagine Hitler trying to brush the holocaust under a rug.
Then work on your reading comprehension, because this is nothing like the Nazis, despite your ilk’s constant attempts at making that false equivalency.
Does Never Again include Palestinians? Yes/no?
No, they’re not civilians, they’re Hamas members came out of tonnels Northern Gaza when IDF have started to flood them with sea water
And how else is IDF supposed to make sure that they don’t have any weapons?
And it’s not even comparable, stop equating things with holocaust, it’s really disrespectful
Do you have a source or is all this bullshit pouring out of your ass?
What’s disrespectful to the holocaust IS TO FUCKING REPEAT IT AND CLAIM THE HIGH MORAL GROUND.
No point arguing with him, he seems much like an pro-Zionist and will claim anything without source - to “prove” his point.
Recommend just block such people, not worth the energy and time.
Even the article he/she linked in response to this says two opposite things: they “surrendered” and that they “were being checked”.
Those men in that picture will need therapy, a lot of it, to overcome this crap… If they even make it out alive.
Hamas threw the first punch then ran to hide in the shadows.
How else can you retaliate without blowing up everything casting a shadow?
By retaliating in a manner that doesn’t involve blowing up everything that casts a shadow
I feel like trying to define a ‘firat punch’ in the shit show that has been palestinian-israeli relations is a fruitless task.
Surely a more productive avenue would be to seek common ground, shared humanity and a practical way forward among the moderates on both sides.
It’s a very easy task for someone who wants to start the clock at a point that makes Israel look like the victim.
The first punch was dealt by israel. There is no question about this.
It’s as like saying "man I wonder who started that Apartheid shit in South Africa. Maybe the black people did it to themselves!
I feel like “there is no question about this.” as a statement is just not true. there is definitely some debate about it.
this bullshit pouring out of your ass
I am not going to respond when you talk like that.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701980659-over-150-hamas-terrorists-surrender-to-idf-forces-in-khan-yunis https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/12/07/hamas-terrorists-surrendering-large-numbers-israeli-forces-reports/
And it’s a reality of war.
Maybe you missed the memo, but no one believes the IDF anymore and neither should they believe a bunch of people sitting on a pile of skulls that used to be journalists and UN workers.
But yeah I couldn’t give two shits about whether or not you like how I speak. Everyone can see through you.
Edit: do you REALLY think you need to blindfold people, strip them to their underwear, and make them sit somewhere in a line on their knees in a humiliating fashion, out in the open to investigate their activity?
This isn’t even new. We know Israel tortures people in prison. We know they have been stripping lots of people being detained WITHOUT A FUCKING CHARGE.
Is this a regime you are proud to defend? Seriously
The IDF: they surrendered
Also the IDF:
The IDF ordered women in the area to go to a nearby hospital and later threated to shoot them if the men did not come out of their homes, he said.
One war crime after the next after the next after the next…
The IDF (again): but they are just KHAMAS fighters!
But also the IDF:
The Arabic language news outlet, which also publishes in English under the name the New Arab, said Mr al-Kahlout had been arrested along with his brothers, relatives and “other civilians” by Israeli forces in Beit Lahia.
Fuck the IDF and all their actions from the bottom of my fucking heart.
This story today almost had me collapse, I don’t know what made me not pick up that coffee mug and slam it across the floor. How can anyone allow such sad footage to remain the current reality? How could anyone defend this dehumanization of Palestinian men who have spent the last month mourning their dead or trying to pry them from under rubble, with no food and no clean water? How did Israel get us this fucking far and deep into human rights violations?
“I’m not gonna respond”
Responds
And it’s not even comparable, stop equating things with holocaust, it’s really disrespectful
Just FYI, holocaust denial began during the holocaust. The denial of this genocide of Palestinians is also happening during. Do you know how many Germans couldn’t get themselves to believe the atrocities committed by their government? Do you want to repeat the same today?
Where are you getting this information?
He’s getting it from the same people that committed this human rights violation. 😅
Somewhere up his ass
Dude, that report literally said one of them was a well-known journalist.
Bold of you to assume any of these propel complaining read anything beyond the title.
One of them is a well known journalist.
Ya they are men from Palestine. Doesn’t make them Hamas because I doubt the IDF are taking prisoners of war. They bomb hospitals and refugee camps. Taking a enemy combatant alive isn’t their MO.
That’s the point, not all Palestinians are members of Hamas, it’s sad that people equate between the two.
Not really.
And Israel does takes POW, how else would it get to know where Israeli hostages are?
If Israel knew where the hostages are then why do so many released hostages say that bombs were firing really close to them? And why do we have reports of dead hostages due to Israeli bombing?
One of the men identified as having been detained is a well-known Palestinian journalist, leading his employers to accuse Israel of carrying out “invasive searches and humiliating treatment” of civilians.
“We’re talking about military age men who were discovered in areas that civilians were supposed to have evacuated weeks ago,” he said.
Mr Levy added that they would be questioned to “work out who indeed was a Hamas terrorist and who is not”.
He emphasised the detained men had been found in areas where Israeli forces had engaged in “close-quarter combat” with Hamas. They had been “deliberately disguising themselves as civilians” and operating from civilian buildings.They found them in an active war zone where they said anyone remaining would be considered a potential enemy combatant. They didn’t shoot them, instead they arrested them to determine who is a hostile. I guess the IDF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
They’d be less damned if they stopped their relentless bombing, their overall invasion, had a longer ceasefire for refugees and medical and humanitarian aid, allowed food, medical supplies and humanitarian aid into Gaza, weren’t telling people to evacuate during these days and then bombing them, weren’t telling them to move to these neighborhoods and then bombing them, weren’t killing and kidnapping random Palestinians in Israel and the West Bank, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc …
It’s almost like Israel was once again provoked into war, and all that that entails… cutting off supply lines, destroying enemy infrastructure, launching attacks against Hamas members who surround themselves with human shields, etc, etc, etc…
- Israel has been letting in supplies and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
- The IDF has been clear that they will attack Hamas targets wherever they find them, the evacuation zone is where they will consider anyone remaining to be a potential enemy combatant so it still makes sense to leave.
- Any crimes committed by civilians in the West Bank need to be prosecuted, and I don’t know what you mean by kidnapping, but I presume you’re inappropriately conflating “random kidnapping” with military arrests.
Gaza needed 500 trucks a day, Israel made sure they get less than that in weeks.
Fuck Israel.
Israel is now fascism.
“Provoked into war” says the country with two fucking separation walls and a history of ethnic cleansing.
Fuck off.
Are you denying Oct 7 happened?
No.
Are you denying the Nakba?
Declaring you’re going to commit a war crime doesn’t make it not a war crime.
Israel loves declaring anything a war zone then arresting people there.
I don’t think anyone had a problem with them being interrogated. It’s the stripping of them naked, completely unnecessarily, and mistreating them for hours that got everyone angry.
The IDF should be damned, they don’t do defence, just apartheid.
Yeah I’m sure they are doing this because it’s lots of fun not because they are at war with a force trying to destroy them. 🙄
Have you considered they might be armed?
Have you considered they are innocent until proven guilty and that what Israel did is shameful?
You know that people are arrested before they are proven guilty, right?
Are they also stripped to their underwear and forced to stay on their knees in an undisclosed location? 😬
