Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.

Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.

  • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
    462·
    11 months ago

    Music is an extremely important part of my life but there isn’t a single band that would make me give money to neo-nazis.

    I don’t know why everyone is so eager to absolve them. If they have something to say in their defense, they can say it themselves.

      • Ookami38@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        11 months ago

        We just watched that movie the other day. I support his message, but man, dude’s gotta pick his battles lol.

        • ours@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          Movie? It’s a classic hardcore punk song title.

          Fucking nazi’s taking Dead Kennedys satires as straight-faced and messing up the concert scene so they wrote this little song which left very little space for misunderstanding (even for nazi idiots).

          • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            3·
            11 months ago

            I’m gonna guess he’s talking about Green Room, which is a very good movie.

            But I was definitely quoting the Dead Kennedys lawl

    • RecallMadness@lemmy.nz
      99·
      11 months ago

      I like folk music and industrial music. The overlap of the two seems to also have a disproportionate overlap of … what’s the best way to put it?… fascist-adjacent music. Imagery, themes, etc.

      Am I a fascist? No.

      Are the artists fascist? I don’t know, Boyd Rice Douglas P/Death In June sure has had some controversies about him, but he’s not been banned from streaming services. But In some ways I don’t care, I don’t have the time to unpick every lyric, image and interview from the artists I listen to, to make a decision on their political views. I just like the music. Open a public playlist and listen.

      None of the music I listen to appears to be sold on Midgard. But does that mean they’re not fascist?

      • orgrinrt@lemmy.world
        101·
        11 months ago

        Probably no need to worry. I like folk and especially nordic folk music (as in Wardruna, not Bob Dylan), which is very obviously something a neo-nazi would also probably like, if only for the superficial themes at play. I used to feel a bit afraid I might accidentally like and support someone I wouldn’t want to, but I’ve come to learn that these shops like midgard, they don’t have those kinds of “normal” releases usually, since they as a shop are often also banned on distributors’ side, so they couldn’t even get them if they wanted. At least eventually that’d kick in, as people report the shop to the bands or labels.

        The music and merch these shops sell are… very obviously neo-nazi. I recommend you take a look at the shop just to get an idea, though obviously a content warning is necessary here.

        This is all to say that unless the music you listen to is very obviously racist or neo-nazi or otherwise explicitly problematic, I wouldn’t worry.

        Of course I might myself be wrong here, but I’ve tried to keep up and stay up to date as to which bands I like could be or turn out problematic.

        None have so far, at least as far as I’m aware.

        They’d have to be very explicit. I think you’d know for sure, if that was the case.

        I listen to a lot of music like wardruna, I simply love the mysticism and the atmosphere of history, magic and rawness, but all of the ones I listen to are actively and publicly denouncing their music being used or approbiated by neo-nazis or other far-right movements or groups.

        I think a lot of people would make a lot of noise, if one of the more popular ones would refuse to publicly denounce that. Or otherwise dodged these questions. Some, like Wardruna, are very actively and explicitly fighting those forces and are in a sense “reclaiming” some of the themes and fascinations that nazis and neo-nazis used to have, especially in norse mythology and history and their themes.

        I am no longer anxious about being associated with wrong music. I think it’ll be very obvious if a band or a brand otherwise, takes a dodgy stance or especially very explicitly supports those dangerous ideals.

        Which is to say, I wouldn’t worry, unless the lyrics, branding and themes are very explicit in their meaning.

        • RecallMadness@lemmy.nz
          52·
          11 months ago

          It’s not entirely clear cut.

          Douglas P of Death in June (who I meant to reference in my original post) sells (sold?) Algiz Rune pins, and stickers of Totenkophs on rainbow backgrounds (but, he’s openly homosexual) as band merch.

          Sol Invictus was formed by Tony Wakefield, who got kicked out of Death in June for being too right wing; and then he subsequently went on to create Above the Ruins for the National Front (interestingly, used to be banned but is back on Spotify), (but now regrets it).

          Von Thronsthal use a logo very close to the Schwarze Sonne, and self-published under “Fasci-Nation Recordings”.

          Both are on Spotify with no problems.

      • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
        21·
        11 months ago

        You don’t need to be a fascist to make excuses for fascists, but it’s bizarre that you read my comment about all the apologists the decided “he just hasn’t heard my brilliant apologise yet”.

        You can drop the “it could happen to you” act because it almost certainly won’t. For this site and those albums, “I just didn’t have time to unpick what the lyric ‘until every kike is dead’ meant” isn’t even a remotely plausible excuse.

        Stop defending them.

      • Mongostein@lemmy.ca
        291·
        11 months ago

        No. There’s no plausible deniability here. These bands’ whole gimmick is that they’re Nazis. It’s not some catchy tune you randomly heard on the radio. There is nothing subtle about it. It’s racist songs with racist lyrics. You would have to seek it out to listen to this garbage.

          • Mongostein@lemmy.ca
            142·
            11 months ago

            Well I don’t live in Japan so I’m not worried about that. Also, tons of Japanese people speak English.

            • Lianodel@ttrpg.networkEnglish
              11·
              11 months ago

              Also, can we appreciate how desperate and nonsensical that entire argument was?

              Okay, lots of them are Japanese. So… what about the ones that aren’t? Why isn’t that person concerned about the one who absolutely understand what it means?

              And secondly… it’s still a huge red flag that Japanese customers were going so far out of their way to buy extremely obscure music from racist bands from an overtly Nazi music seller. If an American specifically imported music from a Japanese shop only racists know or care about, covered in Axis power imagery, that’d still point towards being a huge racist.

              That user is seriously turning themselves in knots to defend people who buy Nazi music from the Nazi store.

          • Cowbee@lemm.ee
            41·
            11 months ago

            This might surprise you, but Japan has very close ties with fascism. Ever seen the Japanese flag with the rays coming from the center red sun? That’s the flag of Imperial Japan, a fascist terror that scarred much of Asia. Japan refuses to denounce their war crimes, and there are an unfortunate number of reactionary fascists who use the flag of Imperial Japan as a symbol they support.

            I’m absolutely not saying that every Japanese person is a fascist, not even close. I am, however, saying that I’m fairly confident that these particular Japanese fans are aware of the Nazi ideology of the bands they listen to, and listen precisely because of that.

      • SkippingRelax@lemmy.world
        72·
        11 months ago

        You are defending the indefensible, would you give the benefit of the doubt to a p*do ring too? They are fucking Nazis, have been open about this for three decades they sell Nazi paraphernalia, they host Nazism bands. You accidentally listening to Celine Dion once doesn’t compare.

        People are indeed becoming unhinged with all this misplaced tolerance: fascists need to be dealt with straight away, we have so many examples in history about what happens when you hive them the benefit of the doubt. I can’t believe this site’s been up since the 90s.

      • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee
        21·
        11 months ago

        I’ve listened to songs with suicidal lyrics, I’m not suicidal

        A song with “suicidal lyrics” is not even remotely comparable to the albums this site sells, which is why they don’t need a dedicated pro-suicide website to sell them on.

        Would you rush to defend an album put out by ISIS, that pushed the agenda of ISIS, with all profits going to ISIS?

        It’s getting exhausting seeing people become increasingly unhinged and justifying it because “well, they’re baddies.”

        Then maybe you should explain your exhaustion to the group responsible for their overwhelming majority of mass shootings, who openly celebrate the killing of black and LGBT+ people, rather than someone you’ve decided isn’t appropriately sad that neo-nazis got exposed for doing a thing they did.