What is lemmy.world doing defederating before hexbear even federates? lemmy.world/instances

This is what it took to defederate from exploding-heads after being federated with them since the start of lemmy.world

https://lemmy.world/post/747912?scrollToComments=true

What evidence do you have of hexbear breaking the lemmy or citizen code of conduct?

Has the criteria for defederation changed?

Hexbear is one of the largest and most active lemmy instances:

Compared to lemmy.ml:

Compared to lemm.ee:

and lemmy.world:

  • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    285·
    1 year ago

    This instance is federated with Lemmygrad which is considerably more hardline. Hexbear is softer and full of demsocs and anarchists, there’s no justification for Hexbear not being allowed while Lemmygrad is.

          • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            265·
            1 year ago

            I think it’s a bit different to not tolerate people that ideologically want the extermination of others for their immutable characteristics, compared to people that are working towards achieving a different economic and political system.

            Not only that, but in discussion the fascists do not participate in good-faith whereas those of us on the left certainly do. I tend to find less good-faith participation from neoliberals compared to other communists actually, the softer liberals that seem more like fence sitters tend to be alright to talk to though.

              • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
                176·
                1 year ago

                Ok can you define tankie for me?

                I’m trying to understand which communists don’t fall into whatever your definition of tankie is, and that’s pretty hard without understanding what you actually mean by that. If I were to assume that you mean something like “people that defend authoritarians” or something:

                Trots: Defend and venerate lenin. Hate marxist-leninists. Support Trotsky killing off all the anarchists though. And support the USSR pre-Stalin. Trotsky’s own book basically says he would have done most of what Stalin did too?

                Marxist-leninists: Defend and support Lenin, Stalin, Mao, among others.

                Maoists: Defend and support Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Mostly oppose Deng reforms.

                So uhh… Which communists would you not include in your definition of “tankies” ? These are like the three main largest groups of communists.

                • trot@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  I’d like to mention that most IRL trots don’t “hate” MLs - it’s recognised that there are in general far more points of agreement than disagreement nowadays. This of course can greatly vary by specific Trotskyist and ML tendencies, but the major exceptions are very fringe.

                  • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    42·
                    1 year ago

                    Yeah that’s fair. I work with some trots myself over union efforts, kinda impossible not to in the UK. I am perhaps overselling the position by overemphasising the historic conflict between the two. With that said I’m still baffled by the “I only mean tankies not communists” point. I can only imagine it comes from a place of not really understanding communists, or being deliberately misleading in that what they actually mean by “communist” is “anarchist” and that’s why there has been no further response.

              • 小黑。@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                712·
                1 year ago

                I am glad to see we are on the same page, tankies are when the communist ideology has become diluted with western globalist wokeism.