Trump has been charged by the Department of Justice with the following four counts:
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A conspiracy to defraud the United States “by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to obstruct the nation’s process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election,” according to the special counsel’s office.
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A conspiracy to impede the Jan. 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified.
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A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have that vote counted.
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Obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct and impede, the certification of the electoral vote.
In criminally charging former president Donald Trump for his efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss, federal prosecutors allege that Trump enlisted six co-conspirators to “assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power.”
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Rudy Giuliani
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John Eastman
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Sidney Powell
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Jeffrey Clark
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Kenneth Chesebro
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Unknown political consultant
Updated 8/3/2023 by Jordan Lund
Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
(Lawyers have until 8/10 to submit requested trial dates, which will be announced on 8/28)
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia - Election Interference
Investigation <- You Are Here
2 new grand juries were impaneled on 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing
New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
The original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation, where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again, resulting in a demand for $10 million, is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a criminal one.
Sources:
Trumps 3rd Indictment - Conspiring to Defraud the United States - 1 August 2023
NBC News: Grand jury charges Trump in 2020 election probe: Highlights
Vox: Trump was just indicted for trying to steal the 2020 election
CNN: August 1, 2023 Trump indicted in special counsel’s 2020 election interference probe
Washington Post: Here are the Trump co-conspirators described in the DOJ indictment
Reason: Trump Indicted for Attempting To Overturn 2020 Presidential Election
FiveThirtyEight: All Of Trump’s Indictments Could Seriously Bog Down His Campaign
Trump’s Arraignment - 3 August 2023
AP: Trump is due to face a judge in DC over charges he tried to overturn the 2020 presidential election
CBS News: Trump pleads not guilty to federal charges in special counsel probe
Chicago Tribune: Trump pleads not guilty to federal charges that he tried to overturn the 2020 election
The Independent: Trump appears to stumble over his name and age at arraignment
Official Documentation
Two things can be true at once:
Persecuting your political opponent is banana republic tier behavior.
Your political opponent broke the law.
The only case that appears to have merit is regarding the withholding of classified documents. Other cases seem weak. Trump will argue that “well Hillary Clinton did it why can’t I?” and to be fair he would have a point there. It comes across as political persecution and it wouldn’t surprise me if jury nullification was the outcome. Either way it won’t stop him from running for president.
There’s a massive difference between Trump and Clinton.
Trumps win was investigated for suspicions of Trumps campaign and Russia colluding to win the 2016 election and to undermine Clinton. This was investigate and it was found that yes, Russia interfered with the 2016 election, but there was not enough evidence to prove there was any collusion between the two.
Trumps investigation is different in that there’s mountains of evidence of him being told over and over again that he lost the 2020 election fair and square. There is also massive amounts of evidence of him knowingly lying about the election being stolen from him, along with evidence of him actively trying to overturn the results.
Also a massive difference; Clinton conceded in 2016. Trump refused to concede in 2020.
I’m having a hard time seeing Trump wiggle his way out of this one, honestly. But he’s done it before so it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
I was referring to the handling of classified documents not the election.
Ahh I see.
Well in that case I think there’s still major differences. Clinton was guilty of being an idiot, Trump is accused of purposefully lying to the government about withholding classified documents, and had conspired to hide them with many of his staff members
Clinton met the statute requirements as it was a strict liability crime but for some reason Comey read an intent clause into it that doesn’t exist in the statute. He let her skate by on this intent aspect which he made up.
Not when that opponent attempted to overthrow the government because he lost an election. The banana republic would have been if they didn’t hold Trump responsible.
Did you think Osama Bin Laden was innocent too? He was in a cave in Afghanistan and not in the United States leading the attack. Personally I strongly believe both are guilty of organizing attacks on the United States.
Come on man that’s just hyperbole
Then you are a fool.
Ad hominem
He absolutely would not have a point here. She would not face these sorts of consequences regardless for the same reason Pence, Biden, Bush, and numerous others have not. When it was discovered they may have had confidential information they and were asked and they immediately began cooperating with officials. Not so for Trump. In addition the type and scale of that classified information is in a class all its own in this case. You cannot use an past events for comparison in this case because it is completely unprecedented the disregard for law and the norms is on a whole different level from anything that has come before it.
Clinton used BleachBit on her private server which isn’t exactly cooperating with the investigation, what with the destruction of evidence and such.
Did you read the indictment? I recommend it. “Weak” hardly describes it.
Guess we’ll see how it all plays out. It’ll be entertaining whatever the outcome.
Where does one get the opinion that some of the charges don’t have merit?
Where does one get the opinion that they do?
By reading the indictments?
The documents thing doesn’t come close to the Georgia election fraud case. There is a literal recording of Trump telling a member of his party to “find 11,780 votes.”
Correct, but that can be read as either hey all I need is this many votes and I know I have those votes (erroneous thought or not) or you can read it as I need you to conjure up that many votes wink wink nod nod. It isn’t an explicit statement despite many people reading it that way.
Intent is always hard to prove. Not a lawyer, but I believe this is where the standard of “reasonableness” comes in. Since we can’t read Trump’s mind, we can’t just guess that he thought they were there and wave it away. We have to ask if a reasonable person, under the same circumstances, would have known whether or not those 11k votes existed. Given that he was told by basically everyone with knowledge of the matter that they didn’t, we can conclude that he knew the votes were not there, and asking for the votes to be “found” was asking for them to be conjured up.
We can’t conclude anything based on what a reasonable person would know because Trump isn’t generally reasonable now is he?
We absolutely can unless he wants go go for an insanity plea, because that’s the only way it could be claimed that he is unreasonable enough to not be held accountable. If he can’t plead insanity, then he must be a reasonable enough person to be held accountable.
I encourage you to learn facts and circumstances around these cases. Legal eagle on youtube can provide an informative, entertaining overview from a lawyer’s perspective. The details surrounding the documents and the subjects response to inquiry is very different.
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