I want to end the war diplomatically, but only next year. Sorry, but some of our people need to die until I do what I already decided to do

It comes as German chancellor Olaf Scholz spoke with Mr Putin for the first time in nearly two years.

The German leader urged Mr Putin to pull his forces out of Ukraine and begin talks with Kyiv that would open the way for a “just and lasting peace”, the German government said.

The move was swiftly criticised by Mr Zelensky, who said the call had opened a “Pandora’s box” by undermining efforts to isolate the Russian leader.

“Now there may be other conversations, other calls. Just a lot of words,” said Mr Zelensky in his evening address on Friday. “And this is exactly what Putin has long wanted: it is extremely important for him to weaken his isolation and to conduct ordinary negotiations.”

Diplomacy in 2024 is bad actually. Only next year!

Truly the hero of our time.

The Russian ruling class would need to disabuse themselves of neoliberal dogmas

and the EU vassals went with it blindly

You are a moron.

But you would be 50% less insufferable if you were actually completely, utterly ashamed about voting for the Dems, and spent 100% of your commenting energy scolding mainstream liberals for giving absolute dogshit neocon candidates in their purported fight against fascism.

But you are not ashamed, you are shamelessly scolding leftists who don’t want to vote for people committing genocide right now

You are absolutely out of your depth here and should just fuck back off to your radlib bubble

We are not going to convince you, since you are a clown, and you are clearly ineffective when you try to argue against actual leftists

Socialists were douchebags to the liberals because they didn’t take the threat of fascism seriously

Lolmao you absolute clueless clown

Is your memory really that short?

Absolutely ridiculous coming from someone not capable of understanding that the material conditions created by “harm reduction” neoliberal D governments of Clinton, Obama, and Biden actually accelerated the rise of fascism in the US

This is what Democrats did this year.

2 Pinocchios

Sorry, I guess only half of Democrats gave a standing ovation to King Leopold/Adolf Hitler

Who said anything about supporting them

Yes, I vote for them unconditionally, and I also argue publicly to vote for them unconditionally

Who said anything about supporting them

the guy who said Netanyahu should "Finish the Job

The Democrats literally gave a standing ovation to Netanyahoo a couple of days ago, and Kamala gave out a statement against the Pro-Palestine protesters

in other words, what the fuck are you talking about?
You are simply deluded, you live in an alternate reality

so you can feel morally superior about letting people die

THEY ARE SUPPORTING GENOCIDE IN GAZA AND THEY KEEP THE UKRAINE MEAT GRINDER GOING

You are literally describing yourself, fuck your harm reduction

I’m not American, but US policies have a material effect on me, and I hate liberals

The fundamental problem with leftists is that we’re mostly smug assholes who refuse to work with anyone we disagree with,

I’m not American - I’m saying you are worse than what liberals say Russian and Chinese are

anyone we disagree with,

• Economically they are neoliberals - leftists are opposed to neoliberalism
• Their foreign policy is brinkmanship, genocide and bombing allied infrastructure

This is 0/2- how are they not enemies rather than “someone I disagree with”?

until that changes we will remain completely irrelevant.

You will remain irrelevant because you’d vote D whatever they do. It seems like you represent the Dems as a project whatever they do, rather than they represent the voter base, earning votes.
Which is ass backwards.

YOU don’t do nothing! You’d unconditionally vote for the party committing genocide RIGHT NOW, their new candidate is not even a pivot, she’s the current VP of the administration supporting genocide!
You just float along the shit river… whatever the Democrats do, you’re there supporting them.
This is exactly why everything is getting more right wing.

or having the possibility of making better choices in the future

How’s that working out for you if you look at the past few elections? Did you manage to push Biden left? Have they prosecuted the American war criminals? How far is Genocide Joe from your ideal? Is Copmala gonna be better, improving material circumstances?
Can’t you see that neoliberalism had literally the opposite effect - pushed everything even more right and extreme?

Americans have this weird view of Russians and Putinists and liberals think that the Chinese are a brainwashed hivemind— but you look crazy from the outside when you argue for voting Mussolini against Hitler.
Democrats supported genocide and their brinkmanship with Russia got us closer to Nuclear Armageddon, fuck y’all

I’m sorry, are you the same person I’ve been talking to? Because it seems like you haven’t actually read anything I’ve written.

The Ukrainians are the ones who can decide if and when they want to surrender.

Western politicians actively sabotaged peace talks. Read previous comments for sources.

They are gaining ground every day

This has no basis in reality. Even overly optimistic western sources have admitted the failure of the spring counteroffensive.

have all the time they want

How can you be this wrong? They have limited manpower and more and more soldiers die every day. Every week spent warring is a huge burden on their economy.

I’m not gonna answer you again since you are completely out of touch with reality. Even prowar western journalists are more careful with their wording.

Yeah no-one is against a peace deal at this point

Great, call a ceasefire now.

Just against the one where you let they totalitarian agressor win. Anyone who knows anything about history knows you have to stop those kind of regimes at the earliest possible moment.

So you are against a peace deal? You do know that the fabled ukrainian counteroffensive has failed completely? How many more regular ukrainians should die in hopeless counteroffensives?

Btw it seems like you don’t know what totalitarian means. Actual academic historians tend to avoid this term since the seventies.

You do realise that a peace deal / ceasefire which involves Ukraine giving up land, sovereignty or anything else is horseshit being pushed around by useful idiots?

The counteroffensive failed spectacularly, even western sources admit this.

How many more people you want to send in the meat grinder?

Here’s an idea: call a ceasefire and let the diplomats negotiate, and let’s see what happens. Let’s see what actual ukrainians want after a few months of negotiation. Maybe Boris Johnson should fuck off. At least people are not dying until then. Outlandish, I know.

And who is feeding the far left with this crap?

Now this is qanon level conspiracy theory. I am against war between capitalist nations in general. On one side you have an extremely corrupt oligarchic capitalist country, and on the other side you have an extremely corrupt oligarchic capitalist country.

Since I live in a NATO country I criticise NATO more, since they are the ruling class above me and there’s enough criticism of Putin around here anyway.

As far as deals go, US/Ukraine isn’t trustworthy either. The Minsk agreement was bullshit. What happened to nord stream btw?

Surely you can’t be this gullible

bollocks

I see the cognitive dissonance is kicking in for you. Hopefully you will recover, and you’ll read western mainstream narratives more critically.

How funny is this bit though?

"The BBC had been among the first to warn of Azov, criticizing Kyiv in 2014 for ignoring a group that “sports three Nazi symbols on its insignia.” A 2018 report noted Azov’s “well-established links to the far right.”

Shortly after Putin’s invasion, though, the BBC began to assert that although “to Russia, they are neo-Nazis and their origins lie in a neo-Nazi group,” the Azov Regiment was being “falsely portrayed as Nazi” by Moscow."

They suddenly became not-nazis in February 2022? But they kept the wolfsangel? Was BBC spouting Russian misinfo in 2014? Or was it a Russian time travelling double agent who wrote all those articles for prominent western papers about the concerning rise of neonazis in Ukraine? If they are so fringe, why are they giving them so much airtime?

the Russo-Georgian war imperialism

Wait, are you saying Saakashvili has done an imperialism? Because even western/EU reports have confirmed that Georgia started that war, not Russia.

They end up supporting or refusing to criticize regimes that generate similar war crimes.

“From 24 February 2022, which marked the start of the large-scale armed attack by the Russian Federation, to 30 July 2023, OHCHR recorded 26,015 civilian casualties in the country: 9,369 killed and 16,646 injured”

Almost 10 thousand civilians killed is horrible. But compare this to Iraq: it’s less than the first month of the war in Iraq, and no US politicians was tried for war crimes. Maybe you should ponder this factoid.

If you live in a NATO country maybe you should demand Blair and Bush to be tried for their war crimes. If you live in the west you should spend more energy of criticizing the ruling class above you.

“supporting or refusing to criticize” This is a made up leftist. Per definition there is no leftist that uncritically supports a right wing capitalist country.