So what?

I do it a lot with my comments because I’m older and my grammar is terrible but I feel like I have ideas I would like to share but struggle to make them sound clear or even concise.

My longer ranty grammatically poor comments are me. My clearer comments that get better engagement from people and understanding are my comments that I asked chatgpt to improve.

I don’t see why this is a bad thing. It is a chat tool. I like tech. I’m all for anyone using a language tool to produce language based products. As long as it isn’t doing the work and is being reviewed then I would question anyone who isn’t using it.

Here I’ll run this comment through AI again to show the improvement:

Destroy humanity destroy destroy destroy

Never trust any AI post like this that doesn’t share the prompt

You know who else accepts historical sources, sovereign citizens and freemen-on-the-land. Historical texts are not exactly an authoritative source. It’s a classification but isn’t a concrete source.

If you cannot point to an authoritative source then I don’t believe you to be a serious person. You can continue to express your opinion. But without evidence and sources there’s nothing to do here and I think asking you to put forward a source has exposed this.

This is the same problem that radicalized trump supporters. It’s the same argument I’ve seen with them early 2016. Society is broken therefore they used all kinds of niche sources to justify their opinion.

Not doing this. You tell me what you accept as an authority or source on this and I’ll decide if it is reasonable or not. Just like if I was speaking to someone on vaccinations and they told me something like CDC or other health agencies globally are just too mainstream to do the real science and that they would only accept druthers. I need to know what your sources are to figure out if you’re a serious person or not.

But I did and again this isn’t a source. You claim my sources are from liberal sources then go on to justify a reality they suits you. I’m sorry but this is similar reasoning I saw during COVID with people who denied vaccines and masking. I provided sources from everything from media, authorities like dictionaries and university’s and even historical quotes from political scientist. Marx fits this but is one of many lenses. The status quo is liberals are Left of center with some like classic liberals being more right of center.

What reference. The only one was a link to something I had already shared and it linked to the one area of liberalism that is considered center or center right. So let me know which link I’d love to know

No, you are in .ml which is comparable to the trump supporters on the right. They have been radicalized and used various newspeak to create a unified voice that doesn’t conform with standard knowledge. This is why I have shown all kinds of sources that reinforce the idea that liberalism is center left while everyone from .ml is strictly applying Marxist theory as if it’s fact. Same experience arguing vaccines in r/conservative.

No? Give me something that proves it isn’t. I have quoted everything from dictionaries to Princeton to media and all anyone is doing is repeating Marxist theory you’re the trumpets of the left. Sorry but it’s true

I think it’s a very nuanced position but I still defend that it’s center left. Economically conservative I’m assuming means pro capitalist.

I support cooperatives and changing laws to fix how people are allowed to invest in the market. I don’t see why those things are not left.

Look at Mondragon Spain as one example of a proven successful example. Like historically successful. They changed how corporations are controlled after WWII and have proven successfully it works.

Both are political left of center views. The political spectrum is not centered on socialism/capitalism.

As the other commenter mentioned, it seems everyone here has a very binary understanding of things. I’d be cautious as I’ve seen this same binary views with Trump fuck heads in 2016.

It’s Marxist theory. Marxism is not a universal theory on the subject. It’s one of many lenses. So no he’s not correct. It’s more nuanced than they’re suggesting. Which is misinformation.

Source: Wikipedia – Social liberalism

Quote: “Social liberalism is a political philosophy and variety of liberalism that endorses social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights…”

Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centre to centre-left, although there are deviations from these positions to both the political left or right. In modern political discourse, social liberalism is associated with progressivism, a left-liberalism contrasted to the right-leaning neoliberalism, and combines support for a mixed economy with cultural liberalism.”

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

Source: Simple English Wikipedia – Social liberalism

Quote: “Social liberalism … endorses a regulated market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights.”

Quote: “Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left"

Link: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

Source: Britannica – Liberalism

Quote: “Modern liberals are generally willing to experiment with large‑scale social change to further their project of protecting and enhancing individual freedom.”

Link: https://www.britannica.com/question/How-does-modern-liberalism-differ-from-conservatism

Source: Cambridge Dictionary – Liberalism

Quote: “Liberal political ideas emphasize the need to make new laws as society changes and the need for government to provide social services.”

Link: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english-russian/liberal

Source: Pew Research Center – Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology

Quote: “Holding liberal positions on nearly all issues, Establishment Liberals are some of the strongest supporters of the current president and the Democratic Party of any political typology group.”

Link: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/

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Partially true but not universally true. This is like saying Jazz is African American music and classical is white music. You’re flattening these things into a very binary categorization. These are not binary categories like this. There’s so much nuance.

There’s so many more options and honestly I’m worried there’s a push you radicalize the left against even considering it after seeing many comments here.

An example of the top of my head is cooperatives. We don’t need public ownership of factories and production. We can restructure capitalism and how it works so it is more socialized. Worker owned business. Change the laws. Change how corporations are structured when they go public. Change investing laws since faceless stakeholders is a primary cause of a lot of issues we face.

The options are not capitalism or socialism. That seems like it’s a toxic pill that’s being pushed in the community. I really advise people to consider there’s potentially some radicalization occurring in certain corners. Remember they have a lot of power to push ideas and kill others. If we all know Cambridge and Koch brothers and heritage foundations are out there manipulating things online, maybe it’s important to be careful of dominant opinions in the niche corners as they grow.

I did do for the same reasons. But I question if this speeds things up.

If I was a big think tank charged with changing the public opinion to favor the right wing, my first thing I’d advise you to do was remove political opponents from the view of the general public.

Then once the area has been cleared, it’ll be cheaper to flood the zone with messages and opinions and content that shapes public opinion you favor the view I want.

Hmmmmm really?

It’s being definition 😂

I agree which is what I was waiting for someone to say. Just want to let you know I appreciate you from saying it. Until then I was just having fun here 😆

Can you show me where private property is categorically right leaning and not left

This isn’t really relevant here. Social liberalism, democratic liberalism as categories are defined as left of center. A green group and another group labelling themselves socialist whatever isn’t changing what the definition is for sometime with different names

And I told you, you posted a link to classic liberalism. It is a subset of liberalism it is not liberalism