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1·2 hours agoMost of the big-name communities on lemmy.world are political in some way, and they all have pretty severe varieties of moderation fuckery. Mods will make safe spaces for troll users posting streams of propaganda, make rules against calling out the propaganda, do totally bizarre things (MBFC bot) which they then blame on the admins saying that the admins are forcing them to do it, and then the admins will say that’s not true and how could they ever get that impression. It’s just a weird, noisy, and dishonest place.
And, also, because it’s the biggest instance it has the biggest population of aggressively clueless or offensive users. The mods seem pretty overwhelmed being able to deal with it all. I’m not sure you can really blame that on the instance itself, since it’s just what happens on a big instance, but in my opinion the low quality of the conversation might be related to the fact that the mods are apparently spending a lot of their finite amount of time apparently actively trying to make things worse.
It happens sometimes that I’ll click on a post, look at the comments and get this “WTF, is it St. Patrick’s Day and everyone’s angry and drunk and no one told me, what is this” reaction and then notice that I somehow stumbled into a big lemmy.world political community, and so the quality of the conversation is immediately going to have a negative 200 percent penalty.
Don’t go there. It is a bad place. The PugJesus historical art communities are nice though.
Yeah, maybe it’s just my own elitism, but that was my read of the place.
- Yes please, lemmy.world is awful (and in particular hosting there is a disservice to places like Beehaw that don’t feel like dealing with the daily noise and have defederated from them)
- Programming.dev seems a little clueless to me in terms of the culture. I read a lot of the userbase’s mindset as sort of “I aspire to be a rock star programmer, check me out I’m awesome” as opposed to “I am good at programming and take it seriously because I care about it.” Of course there is always variability based on the individual, and that first thing is in no short supply anywhere on the internet.
- I fully agree with whoever it was that said not everyone will move and that’s okay. You might shut down the old community but just be aware that bottom line, the users are going to do what they want to do.
- Maybe sh.itjust.works or lemmy.sdf.org or lemm.ee? Or infosec.pub? All of those seem extremely nerd-friendly without being overly self-important about it.
1·4 days agoFun fact, the character of Ripley was written for a man, and only once the script was complete did they randomly decide to cast a woman for the part and see what happened.
And yes I completely agree with you. Implications about how Hollywood does things are left as an exercise for the reader.
Be sure to include some kind of passive-aggressive “joke” about how everyone in Hollywood who’s left of Harvey Weinstein is stupid.
31·4 days agoJesus Christ dude. They took a wildly popular platform, replaced the social aspects that made it popular with incredibly obnoxious ad-spam and didn’t bother to absorb any of the new features or paradigms that other apps were inventing and making popular. So people moved on. It’s not complex. And then, trying to diagnose why everyone might have abandoned it as a result, they say things like:
Second, it feels heavyweight to request someone new as a friend, which makes it hard to rectify the first issue.
Yeah that’s a huge issue. You nailed it, you fucking donkey.
Fun fact about that: I think it was Mike Mullane who was on one of the first missions with a female astronaut. He found her, obviously, to be beyond qualified, and was just as furious as all the other astronauts of any gender at the dumb type of “how will you do your makeup in space” type of questions she would get from the press.
Anyway, partway through the mission her hair got caught by some kind of machinery, sucked in and tangled up in it, and it was a little bit of a pain in the ass to get things sorted out. She hunted down every single member of the crew and made them swear an oath under threat of terrible violence not to say a goddamned word about it, because it was intolerable that there be some actual negative issue with some reality that was connected with her gender in any way, that anyone could point to as a reason why male astronauts were better.
Then he put it in his book. Of course. Hopefully enough time had gone by at that point that we understood that astronauts can be qualified even if they have hoo-has. Or, well, we did until Jeff Bezos got involved.
She was widely ridiculed for the quote with Alien as a notable example.
I think the rest of the quote was pretty accurate. She was speaking to gender bias in Hollywood and saying she was happy to be an exception, which I think was fine. But because she said something boneheadedly wrong to tee up the point, that’s all anyone really remembers about it.
Are you comfortable running a little python script to do it? I’ve done something like this for myself for exactly the same reason, I could polish it up and show you and you could use it locally for yourself.
Yha, you want to promote deception and falsehoods and insincerity of Donald Trump and Vlad Putin as “allowed”… which you are manipulating to mean welcome.
This is what I mean by “strawman.” Nowhere did I do any of that.
I’m not real interested in this conversation. Sorry.
I feel like you have a belief that because of neurodivergence, you need to be exempted from any criticism or disagreement. Because it becomes “punching down” and it’s okay for you to lecture others at length, personally insult them, whatever you feel like, but never for them to raise any kind of objection to anything on your side.
That belief is wrong. Sorry. It’s also unfair to anyone else in the conversation.
And yes, I have spent time on fighting Russian disinformation and trying to bring people’s awareness to this problem. You decided to argue with me at incredible length, so I’ve been conversing with you, but none of it is an “attack” or “punching.” It’s just talking. In free societies, people are allowed to disagree with each other.
Oh, on the over-amusement Neil Postman issue, I’ll completely agree with you. And yes I think most Lemmy people are unaware of that as a problem. It’s gotten incredibly much worse since Postman’s time. Orders of magnitude.
The strawman thing was simply on what you seemed to be saying about people on Lemmy being unaware of or in denial about Russian interference. It’s two different issues. I was talking purely about the issue of Russian trolls being in control of a lot of discourse on the internet, and people being aware of it or not, not the underlying flaws in the whole dopamine model or people being aware of that or not.
Communication! Good stuff.
Who is that strawman? Can you be specific, precise, or just bullshit like Donald Trump and Elon Musk style of communications?
Sure. Here are examples, I don’t want to pick through your messages for 10-20 different ones but just the first ones that jumped out:
I’m not here to conform to the bullshit of Fox News language and Twitter language of a North American society.
Nobody is expecting you to. The number of people on Lemmy who are in favor of Fox News is probably a tiny little outlier of “conservative” ghettos populated by a couple of users each, and a bunch of downvotes. Implying that I am trying to get you to conform to Fox News when I gave you constructive feedback on your titles was the first point it seemed like you went off the rails.
It isn’t as if I am new at hearing feedback that boils down to your communication should fit the current year style and fashion
“In matters of principle, stand like a rock. In matters of style, flow with the current.”
This is actually tangential to the strawman thing, but I do think that making your headline style match what people expect, and in particular avoiding something that’s going to classify it as spam and undercut the message you’re trying to send, is an important thing. What you’re saying is sort of akin to “it’s okay if I smell bad in public” or “it’s okay if I wear a T-shirt in the office” because “it’s unfair that I should be judged by” et cetera.
I mean, you’re not completely wrong, but it’s also a good idea in general to avoid saying one thing in a way that’s easy to misconstrue as some other thing, or do side-channel things that can undercut your message. Blaming your putting of spam-stuff in your headline on neurodivergence is just straight-up bullshit. You can choose not to put spam in the headline. Whatever your state of being is. That’s why I say you are crybullying. It’s your choice. You’re choosing the one thing, which is fine, but you can drop the huge histrionics about how I’m being horrible if I recommend that you do the other thing.
and have never studied why anyone thinks that is a good idea
This part of the previous strawman is the strawman. I’ll only speak for myself, but I’ve studied media communications and the flaws in American media a certain amount. You keep implying that other people must not be as well-read as you, must not be as qualified, surely didn’t work in important roles, aren’t aware of Russian influence on America. Stop. If someone tells you they agree, stop lecturing them about what they need to understand, and move on with the assumption that yes, they’re aware, and agree with you.
What I say is the strawman is that you keep insisting, somehow, that people aren’t aware or don’t want to hear that Russians are corrupting America’s media. Apparently. Aren’t you doing that? If I have misunderstood something, let me know.
Check this out:
https://ponder.cat/search?q=russian&type=All&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopMonth
Pretty much the first thing that is a comment is this, sitting there at hundreds of upvotes for calling out Russian trolling as a present issue. I think maybe part of the reason you might be missing that this is part of the overall belief system of the average Lemmy person is that it is so universally agreed, that we don’t really need to sit around telling it to each other. Cambridge Analytica and the IRA are sort of part of history, at this point, how we got to the present state as opposed to vital “news” that people need to be made aware of.
Outside of Lemmy, I’ll completely agree with you about the state of people’s awareness of it. If you were posting with this screaming urgency on Facebook or something it would probably be a good idea. I’m saying that Lemmy is almost universally aware of what you’re saying. Probably there are a few people that still need to hear it, but also, you’re undercutting your message by being unintentionally histrionic about it.
I’m not trying to hurt your feelings by ordering you to conform, nothing like that. You can title your posts however you like. I’m just telling you that they will be more impactful if you title them in a more calm manner, and definitely you will have better luck communicating with people if you absorb that most Lemmy people already agree with you.
Right? Doesn’t that make sense? You tell me.
I extensively replied to you as to my underlying philosophy and quoted multiple sources on the topic. So far, you haven’t responded to any ideas or words
Yes, because I already agree with them. What do you want me to say, “Yes that is good” every time? Maybe I should have explicitly said that, but I was attempting to explain that most people here (myself included) already agree with all this stuff.
Very telling… that your context fixation is only here on my words and not the general aspect of why I might not be trying to conform to Lemmy April 2025 superficial values.
You are conforming perfectly to Lemmy April 2025 values. You are starting a pointless fight with a strawman for no reason at all, while aggressively talking down to your interlocutor. Also you’re saying Russia is fucking up the world (in this one particular way) and it’s a problem.
You fit in perfectly, honestly. If you were saying ACAB is counterproductive at this point, or that Hamas shouldn’t have raped all those people or that FlyingSquid did nothing wrong, that would be not conforming and bringing some iconoclasty. You’re doing Lemmy pitch-perfect, as far as I can tell.
Guy.
A dehumanizing bully comes along, and you want me to bow down to the bully.
Not really. I told you that your posting will hit better if you make one specific type of edit to them, and that the message you say everyone is rejecting is (1) a pretty popular one on Lemmy already (2) something I wholeheartedly support spreading. Then when you rejected me saying that, I said “okay cool.”
No one is against you here, man. You’re picking a fight that you do not need to be picking.
I didn’t tell you to shut up.
Correct. You told me:
If you want to create your own content and title it the way you want, knock yourself out.
It isn’t as if I am new at hearing feedback
Which is, basically: “Shut up.”
What you’re engaged in is called being a “crybully”. You’re being hostile to me for no reason at all, while trying to paint yourself as a victim of horrible lifelong oppression because I told you something you didn’t like. Like I said: Okay.
Okay. I’m not trying to be unsympathetic with anything in your situation man. I’m telling you how choosing to append stuff to the end of your post titles that makes them look like spam is going to come across to people, and some factual misunderstandings that you seem to have about your audience on Lemmy. Because I think your message is an important one. None of it had anything to do with conformity.
I think you need to get out of the habit of telling people, in effect, “I’m neurodivergent so shut up I am right and here is how to be better in the future please.” Simply having these challenges doesn’t mean you’re automatically right about everything and people need to shut up and do it your way, any more than you would need to do the same on your side. It’s just a human-to-human interaction. That’s it. It’s a give and take. None of what I was telling you had anything to do with policing your communications differences. You can be into my advice or not, and it sounds like you’re not, which is your right and best of luck with it.
Maybe it’s me. I just have noticed this very particular type of self-important cluelessness that tends to concentrate itself in some specific communities. I’ve definitely had people who are 100% wrong who will get in extended arguments with me about how this wrong thing that they think is obviously right, and spend a bunch of time “debunking” some wild strawman that I never said. Like “How can you say Linux printing is bad, you must be one of those Window fanboys, Windows sucks, don’t you understand open source is better you twatface how dare you.” Something like that.
In fairness, now that I think about it I think that is just a lot of Linux / programming related communities on Lemmy in general. Maybe it’s not fair to blame it on programming.dev just because they concentrate on that type of content and so will necessarily tend to attract that type of user.