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I think that the point cis woman make is that trans men who transitioned after puberty have different things going on with their bodies that cannot or will not be changed no matter how much work or change is done and then the concern is that a bad actor then has the average strength of a male (the general point of view being that sex-males are “generally stronger” than sex-females) will have a physical advantage that a potential female bad actor would (generally) not have. I think that is a valid concern for cis women to have I believe it is a valid discussion to be had. I will not dismiss their point of view or arguments. Plus, not all trans women are women that have transitioned - so imagine a bad actor with sexually abusive intentions, now a trans man without transition surgery is still capable of getting a cis women pregnant when a bad actor cis women cannot. I also think this is at a valid concern worth at least listening to. I don’t think you can ethically just disregard these concerns.
It’s the internet. I think it’s reasonable to say that people should be able to say things in whatever way they want to say it in. You can be serious and take part in a serious discussion, or you can joke around and not take things seriously. I think trying to constantly force everyone to speak like some chivalrous knight in shining armor gets tiring real damn fast on the internet and I think banning people for saying things ‘the way they say it’ is just an easy and convenient excuse to silence them because you don’t like the content of what they have to say.
- awesome thanks for educating me
- no I am not, I personally know trans people and I have nothing against them whatsoever. You’re just unwilling to admit that other people can have valid opinions other than your own if it doesn’t immediately fit into the view of the ideal world you have in your head. You fail to realize that other people have their own ideas of a what an ideal world looks like, or you just don’t consider their views to be valid, in which case you are doing the very same thing to them that you are accusing them of. So what it then comes down to is the need for a discussion between the two opposing groups to figure out what to do and how to reconcile. For the record, I don’t have a personal opinion on who should use what bathroom, I was merely stating that if cis woman feel that sharing that space with trans women is not safe or ideal for them then they should have the right to express that opinion, be heard and have a discussion on it. What you want to do is pretend you are not acting like a fascist while telling them to shut up and just live it and not express their opinion. What I am doing is saying that both ends of the spectrum should be heard there.
I mean it’s something you see the Right doing too. Just take a short trip to 4chan and try to argue against any of the insane things being said there and while they can’t or won’t ban you or anything people will strictly either ignore you or tell you “I only read to XXX part and immediately discarded your opinion.”
Fact is the internet is no longer a place where people of all types can gather in one place and be honest with each other. It’s either a severe left wing echo chamber permabanning anyone slightly less left than themselves or a severe right wring echo chamber permabanning or ignoring anyone slightly less right than themselves and rarely does it seem to ever be a mix of the two or anything in between.
I’m hoping lemmy can allow for this to occur, but frankly I’m not too hopeful.
I was permabanned because I took part in a wider discussion on the r/games subreddit (hogwarts thread) that devolved a little bit into talking about trans issues down in the lower comments somewhere. I basically agreed with someone that if CIS women don’t exactly feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with trans women and that if they wanted to have a discussion around that then that was a reasonable opinion to have and thing to do, and I guess the moderators thought that I was calling for trans genocide or some other insane BS.
yeah that is a pro to this thing for sure
Well that is super disappointing.
Reddit is just killing itself in general. I’ve been permanently banned from the place on multiple occasions for having I guess what the moderators and admins considered offensive/alternative opinions. I’m not conservative or anything, I’m definitely a liberal, but sometimes I have an opinion that goes a little against the status quo of the ultra liberal / progressive and that is when admins and mods throw a shit fit and don’t know how to handle it other than permanently banning users. I don’t think that Aaron Swartz ever intended Reddit to be a place where critical discussion would just be blanket banned.
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