Hehe, as the article says, there is an abundance of them. Dozens of (paid) online services… You can do it on your beefy graphics card… And as per this article to some degree with your Instagram account. I’ve tried it on my own and it’ll generate something like internet fanfiction, or have a dialogue with you. It’s a steep learning curve, though and requires some fiddling. And it was text only and I don’t own a gaming computer, so it was unbearably slow. Other than that I try to avoid Meta’s social media services or paying for those kind of “scientific” experiments so I wouldn’t know how the voice conversation is like… Maybe someone can enlighten us.

Yeah you’re right. I didn’t want to write a long essay but I thought about recommending Grok. In my experience, it tries to bullshit people a bit more than other services do. But the tone is different. I found deep within, it has the same bias towards positivity, though. In my opinion it’s just behind a slapped on facade. Ultimately similar to slapping on a prompt onto ChatGPT, just that Musk may have also added that to the fine-tuning step before.

I think there is two sides to the coin. The AI is the same. Regardless, it’ll tell you like 50% to 99% correct answers and lie to you the other times, since it’s only an AI. If you make it more appeasing to you, you’re more likely to believe both the correct things it generates, but also the lies. It really depends on what you’re doing if this is a good or a bad thing. It’s argualby bad if it phrases misinformation to sound like a Wikipedia article. Might be better to make it sound personal, so once people antropormorphize it, they won’t switch off their brain. But this is a fundamental limitation of today’s AI. It can do both fact and fiction. And it’ll blur the lines. But in order to use it, you can’t simultaneously hate reading it’s output. I also like that we can change the character. I’m just a bit wary of the whole concept. So I try to use it more to spark my creativity and less so to answer my questions about facts. I also have some custom prompts in place so it does it the way I like. Most of the times I’ll tell it something like it’s a professional author and it wants to help me (an amateur) with my texts and ideas. That way it’ll give more opinions rather than try and be factual. And when I use it for coding some tech-demos, I’ll use it as is.

Oh wow. A few days ago, societly looked down on people doing (erotic) role play with chatbots… Today it’s rolled out on some of the largest internet platforms. Is it really that easy to do this with Meta’s chatbots? I’ve tried asking ChatGPT and other major services to write me erotic fanfiction or answer lewd questions. And it’d always either dodged the question or straight out refused. (And I’m an adult.)

I’d have to agree: Don’t ask ChatGPT why it has changed it’s tone. It’s almost for certain, this is a made-up answer and you (and everyone who reads this) will end up stupider than before.

But ChatGPT always had a tone of speaking. Before that, it sounded very patronizing to me. And it’d always counterbalance everything. Since the early days it always told me, you have to look at this side, but also look at that side. And it’d be critical of my mails and say I can’t be blunt but have to phrase my mail in a nicer way…

So yeah, the answer is likely known to the scientists/engineers who do the fine-tuning or preference optimization. Companies like OpenAI tune and improve their products all the time. Maybe they found out people don’t like the sometimes patrronizing tone, and now they’re going for something like “Her”. Idk.

Ultimately, I don’t think this change accomplishes anything. Now it’ll sound more factual. Yet the answers have about the same degree of factuality. They’re just phrased differently. So if you like that better, that’s good. But either way, you’re likely to continue asking it questions, let it do the thinking and become less of an independent thinker yourself. What it said about critical thinking is correct. But it applies to all AI, regardless of it’s tone. You’ll also get those negative effects with your preferred tone of speaking.

Lol. And what kind of people are on Soyjak, is that site more or less degenerated?

Exactly. This is directly opposed to why we do AI in the first place. We want something to drive the Uber without earning a wage. Cheap factory workforce. Generate images without paying some artist $250… If we wanted that, we already have humans available, that’s how the world was for quite some time now.

I’d say us giving AI human rights and reversing 99.9% of what it’s intended for is less likely to happen than the robot apocalypse.

Maybe something like Joplin, Org Mode for Emacs, Zettelkasten, Getting Things Done? Maybe a boring Nextcloud, that one has lots of individual apps and they’re supposed to interconnect.

I’m not really sure what to recommend here, a personal knowledge management platform, a calendar software… I can see how it’s a lot of different things you need to juggle. And I don’t have a good solution myself. I always wanted to some good system, and we really have a lot of software available which connect tasks, notes, appointments, knowledge. But I think it’s a lot about the mindset. You mainly need some dedication and it needs to be executed properly, or it won’t work well. The tool/software comes on top and just makes it easier. At the same time it’s really nice to have things digital and not just in a paper journal. And sometimes it’s the small things like reminders about appointments on the phone… And that might be difficult with some tools if they’re made more for knowledge than for calendar stuff.

I’m currently making ends meet with the several Nextcloud apps. But I don’t have as much to coordinate. I’ve always wanted to use one of the Wiki-like personal knowledge management systems (Silverbullet), but I’m a bit too chaotic for that.

Really? Are you sure this isn’t just a restriction for people who download the app from the Apple store, or who live in islamic countries? The TOS they display to me specifically mention illegal pornographic content. But I’ve never used it, so I don’t really know.

They can’t seriously complain about intellectual property theft, can they?

I think Discord is pretty lenient on everything. They’re an US company though. Also Telegram, that’s what all the conspiracy theorists use, I think they don’t moderate a lot. That one is founded by Russians, and registered on the British Virgin islands.

I think they both technically fit your requirements, but I wouldn’t recommend any of them. You can also use traditional internet forums or the Fediverse. They’re all moderated by the people themselves. With varying rules on what you’re allowed to post.

I mean if you just want to discuss politics, society and philosophy, without spreading hate and misinformation… You’d be welcome here, we do those kinds of things on Lemmy.

Thanks for looking into it. Most posts here are cross-posted to !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com so unless someone wants to continue this specific community, I’m going to leave in a few days and just go there instead. Wish you all the best. I really don’t think things like this align well with the broader spirit of a privacy / digital ethics community.

So, where do we go? If the allegations are true (and I have no reason to doubt that), I’d like to defederate as well.

EDIT: See edit in my previous comment on how Bluetooth can do it. I believe that’d work with any device that can do bluetooth, including iPhones.

I suppose along an iPhone? I mean Apple does the whole ecosystem. And this isn’t really a technical limitation. Most phones have the audio stream connected to the processor. Theoretically they could forward it, or record it. But on Android, the often don’t seem to allow any of that, and Apple doesn’t allow third parties (like a Linux computer) to access “their” interfaces, so I don’t know if you can forward it to arbitrary computers either.

I mean there are solutions. Other people here outlined that. For example mimicking a bluetooth handset. You could solder a cable to attach to a computer’s AUX input. Or use a landline or different service to manage the calls whithin a PBX. But none of that is very easy to set up or proper forwarding. Maybe the best bet would be bluetooth.

I feel psychologists aren’t really in the loop when people make decisions about AI or most of the newer tech. Sure, they ask the right questions. And all of this is a big, unanswered question. Plus how a modern society works with loneliness, skewed perspectives by social media… But does anyone really care? Isn’t all of this shaped by some tech people in Silicon Valley and a few other places? And the only question is how to attract investor money?

And I think people really should avoid marrying commercial services. That doesn’t end well. If you want to marry an AI, make sure it is it’s own entity and not just a cloud service.

I don’t think there is a way to forward cellular phone calls. You’d need a phone provider which provides that feature, like a Voice-over-IP provider. Or a SIM card in your computer. Plus the right phone contract.

Kdeconnect can forward a lot of other things though, like SMS, files…

I wish there was a way to hook into calls. But as far as I know they’re deliberately keeping that closed.

EDIT: Actually, I’ve just tried Bluetooth (since someone suggested that) and that does just about that. I’ve used the standard Bluetooth pairing within the GNOME desktop, and now my Android phone lists the computer in the audio options of a call (where you can choose if it’s phone, handsfree or via a bluetooth device… And I can click on my computer name there, and it’ll then use the computer’s mic and speakers.

Sure. I think you’re right. I myself want an AI maid loading the dishwasher and doing the laundry and dusting the shelves. A robot vacuum is nice, but that’s just a tiny amount of the tedious every-day chores. Plus an AI assistant on my computer, cleaning up the harddrive, sorting my gigabytes of photos…

And I don’t think we’re there yet. It’s maybe the right amount of billions of dollars to pump into that hype if we anticipate all of this happening. But for a lame assistant that can answer questions and get the facts right 90% of the times, and whose attempts to ‘improve’ my emails are contraproductive lots of the times, isn’t really that helpful to me.

And with that it’s just an overinflated bubble that is based on expectations, not actual usefulness or yield with the current state of technology.

Personally, I think it’s not going to happen soon. I think it’ll take another 5-10 years of scientific advancements until we tackle issues like the limited intelligence and that it likes to make up things which aren’t really true. And we kind if need that for proper applications. I’ve tried generative AI for writing and computer coding. But I still have to spend a lot of time to fact-check and rewrite its output. As is, I think AI is limited to some specific tasks.

At the current state of things, AI just feels like being forced on people. There isn’t much transparency and a lot happens without people’s consent. Training data is taken without consent, and they display AI-written text, often riddled with misinformation to me, without being upfront. I also stop reading most of the times, unless there is a comment section beneath, for me to complain 😉

I’d say just ban them. Doesn’t look like a healthy relationship for either side. Worst thing that can happen is they complain and you get to know the reason for their behaviour… And if they’re under the impression it will get rid of the posts, banning them will accomplish that, so win-win.

Uh. What do they say to an AI shill, rewriting their social system with AI code? Or a president writing the countries economic strategy with AI? I also believe that’s going to have… consequences…

Yea, I dunno. Seems investors like buzzwords more than anything else. I’m not really keeping track, but I remember all the crypto hype and then NFTs. I believe that has toned down a bit.