Think a bit before you talk. Hard for all of us!

But why?

Just do a lightweigt process in a few docs and Excel, and meet in person often enough that you know what folks are doing. That’s SOOOO much better and more natural for getting real work done. Great ideas die in JIRA among endless planning meetings and premature decomposition and estimates.

I bet its two users are both very sad

Some good points, but a very angry framing. We’ve moved around so much that many of us have lost touch with our wider communities. Many like myself never had one to begin with. Find and establish community before raising kids.

Good to have a reality check, but this is still better than what we had before

GNOME sucks, both in their community engagement culture, and actual look. I’ve never liked their culture, but they used to have a superior desktop IMO.