• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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    8 months ago

    Germany: “NEIN IMMIGRANTS, NO MORE!”

    Also Germany: “Why can’t we replace the workers of our aging population?! Where did we go wrong?”

    EDIT: Btw these aren’t children, it’s university students older than 21.

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      In this case it’s a giant housing shortage though. The city (and large surrounding area) is Freiburg in the south. Rents are so expensive and available flats are so rare that companies don’t find workers who could actually live there. Also: the comparably good loans don’t mean much when it’s only channeled into a greedy landlord’s pockets.

      Edit: oh no i was wrong it’s Nuremberg - their public transport organization is also “VAG”. But Freiburg has a huge labor shortage due to unaffordable housing and housing shortage.

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        It’s practically the same. Nürnberg has a joined University with it’s neighbouring city, Erlangen. Erlangen has the highest rent per square meter (if you’re not eligible for student housing). It’s high prices for the whole region, because the Nürnberg-Erlangen metro region is the biggest population, business and cultural center in the north of Bavaria.

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      8 months ago

      Immigration isn’t a the cause of all our problems. But it also isn’t the solution to all our problems.

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        8 months ago

        Idk I feel like having more working people would solve not having enough working people.

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          Yes but Germans are racist, despite their PR push to be seen as the most progressive, liberal people, they’re actually pretty backwards

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            8 months ago

            I think that’s a separate problem they need to address. Immigration solves the worker shortage problem quite neatly.

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            7 months ago

            Don’t know why you are getting downvoted, at least this comment is spot on. Best regards, a German.

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        8 months ago

        That is fair, too, Germany’s minimum wage is €12 which is slightly more than half of their neighbouring Switzerland’s 23 CHF per hour. I bet tons of people would be willing to drive a tram if they payed more.

        That said, I don’t think it’s nice to refer to immigrants as “cheap labour from overseas” especially when the alternative is literally children.

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          That said, I don’t think it’s nice to refer to immigrants as “cheap labour from overseas”

          Do you think the ruling class see it as anything other than?

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            The ruling class of Germany…? The fuck? On every democracy index Germany places 14th or higher.

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                Germany on-budget allocation is 477 Bn Euros and their off-budget special funds are 869 Bn Euros, as long as people vote for who is in power then German Billionaires are far below them on the food chain.

                Do I think backroom deals occur? Yeah, enough to put them at #14 in the democracy index instead of #1. That’s what that number means, how compromised they are on a scale. The German ruling class are the average people.

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                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

                  According to this, my country, Australia is tied with 14th and 100% there is a ruling class who favour corporate lobbying and billionaires over everyone else.

                  This ranking means jack shit. The only way you’re not going to have a ruling class is to be a true democracy, a direct democracy, and not have a class of people dedicated to leading for you. Anyone else is too easily and systematically bought out.

                  I entirely reject your premise that being 14th in a democracy ranking means you don’t have a ruling class.

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                    That’s because Australia is lower than Germany on that particular list. Australia has a massive corruption ring particularly in NSW, but they also have housing projects, single-payer medical, and full subsidized higher education degrees.

                    TBH I agree they should be ranked lower, they’ve been declining in the score given by Economist Intelligence Unit since 2012, I expect their score will continue to decline in 2024’s rankings.