• Carrolade@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    If you can find me an unbiased assessment of it, from people that acknowledge Israel’s claims to exist by its 1967 borders and for people of Jewish descent to move to within those 1967 borders if they want, I happily will.

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      8 months ago

      I have no idea what this comment means but the goalpost is floating 500 feet in the air right now.

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        8 months ago

        It means I’ll read any information about Israeli Apartheid policies from any Zionist-neutral source. I will, however, be very wary of anti-Zionist sources or pro-Zionist sources, unless the source is being critical of its own position.

        I’m not foolish enough to think there’s a side in the war that won’t lie.

        I understand it is a high standard, but it’s the same goalpost I had to begin with. I’m neither pro-Israeli, nor pro-Palestinian, I’m just loyal to good factuality as best as I can find it, and I’m loyal to peaceful co-existence and a two-state solution, preferably by the 1967 borders.

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          8 months ago

          don’t know if this will be helpful or not, or even what you asked about but:

          Wikipedia, Israeli citizenship law says the following:

          Every Jew has the unrestricted right to immigrate to Israel and become an Israeli citizen. Individuals born within the country receive citizenship at birth if at least one parent is a citizen. Non-Jewish foreigners may naturalize after living there for at least three years while holding permanent residency and demonstrating proficiency in the Hebrew language. Naturalizing non-Jews are additionally required to renounce their previous nationalities, while Jewish immigrants are not subject to this requirement.

          the policy makes a distinction of Jews and non-Jews and says getting a citizenship requires a different path based on your religion. also, “Actually I was a bit wrong … so here are the corrections” by u/Aceticon

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      8 months ago

      Is the UN a high enough standard.

      Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert

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        8 months ago

        Not on its own, no. The UN is composed of members, and its personnel can come from anywhere and be of any opinion.

        There is no such thing as a single perfectly reliable source. The UN is better than most, but its still composed of people.

        This, however, is:

        and former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben-Yair – have also all called this apartheid

        A former Israeli AG can be presumed to be both knowledgeable, and have a pro-Israeli bias, so if they are being critical of Israel then that is very credible. Several other cited sources are credible as well. Thank you for sharing that.