I mean, the issue is that the updates fix nothing of value and break mods in this decade old game. Passable update for console, “why did you even try?” on pc.
Yeah, but let’s be real - modding isn’t for everyone. The show was a mainstream hit, so a lot of eyes were on the game again. Adding native improvements like that are a benefit to the game overall and to the people who don’t know how to mod or care enough to do it. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. But at the end of the day, hooking to a binary is just a hotfix away from being broken till someone fixes it again.
Bethesda offloads bug fixing to modders altogether too frequently to simply handwave modding as niche on PC. Over a decade on, comprehensive bug fixing mods are still amongst the most frequently downloaded files on nexusmods for Skyrim and even Fallout 4. They can’t have their cake and eat it too, and then complain that they urgently had to eat it.
Their actions don’t exist in a vacuum. Had they done this 5 years ago, it may have been received with confused appreciation, as it was with Skyrim. Now? After those mod creators have long since abandoned the game? It’s no longer welcome.
Personally, I still think Gamers (capital G on this one) are really stupidly entitled when it comes to shit like this. I agree with the other person, it’s not on the company who made the game to stop the work they’re doing on it, just to make sure third-party modders are okay with the update. They don’t have to, and they technically shouldn’t have to either. In a perfect world, yes they would communicate with the mod authors and all, but this ain’t a perfect world.
In a perfect world, Bethesda would produce a whole game and rely not on free labor but themselves to create something. They went the Reddit route, instead opting to do as little as possible until it was inconvenient or even actively antagonistic toward their audience. They cannot have their cake and eat it. Their company is as much their modders as their employees. But they didn’t rerelease it under another edition, so I guess I can compliment their finite capacity for greed.
their company is as much the modders’ as it is the employees’
You lost me there, lol. Just because I go to eat at a restaurant every single day for years doesn’t mean the restaurant is partially mine, nor does it mean I work there if I just decide to help with the dishes some time.
If you solicit teams of vagrants to roam your restaurant, mending the walls and supports to prevent its imminent collapse, it’s a bit different. I’ve already given up on modders, their dysfunctions are as nonsensical to me as defending the company that takes advantage of and discards them.
The mod-supported ultra-widescreen option was not good. Bethesda’s update is definitely better than it was, and since that was the only Fallout mod I used these updates are all good to me.
I mean, the issue is that the updates fix nothing of value and break mods in this decade old game. Passable update for console, “why did you even try?” on pc.
They add plenty of value, people just haven’t really read into it. I.e. widescreen support, performance optimization, etc.
You mean things that mods had fixed almost a decade ago?
Yeah, but let’s be real - modding isn’t for everyone. The show was a mainstream hit, so a lot of eyes were on the game again. Adding native improvements like that are a benefit to the game overall and to the people who don’t know how to mod or care enough to do it. It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. But at the end of the day, hooking to a binary is just a hotfix away from being broken till someone fixes it again.
Bethesda offloads bug fixing to modders altogether too frequently to simply handwave modding as niche on PC. Over a decade on, comprehensive bug fixing mods are still amongst the most frequently downloaded files on nexusmods for Skyrim and even Fallout 4. They can’t have their cake and eat it too, and then complain that they urgently had to eat it.
Their actions don’t exist in a vacuum. Had they done this 5 years ago, it may have been received with confused appreciation, as it was with Skyrim. Now? After those mod creators have long since abandoned the game? It’s no longer welcome.
Personally, I still think Gamers (capital G on this one) are really stupidly entitled when it comes to shit like this. I agree with the other person, it’s not on the company who made the game to stop the work they’re doing on it, just to make sure third-party modders are okay with the update. They don’t have to, and they technically shouldn’t have to either. In a perfect world, yes they would communicate with the mod authors and all, but this ain’t a perfect world.
In a perfect world, Bethesda would produce a whole game and rely not on free labor but themselves to create something. They went the Reddit route, instead opting to do as little as possible until it was inconvenient or even actively antagonistic toward their audience. They cannot have their cake and eat it. Their company is as much their modders as their employees. But they didn’t rerelease it under another edition, so I guess I can compliment their finite capacity for greed.
You lost me there, lol. Just because I go to eat at a restaurant every single day for years doesn’t mean the restaurant is partially mine, nor does it mean I work there if I just decide to help with the dishes some time.
This is a bad take.
If you solicit teams of vagrants to roam your restaurant, mending the walls and supports to prevent its imminent collapse, it’s a bit different. I’ve already given up on modders, their dysfunctions are as nonsensical to me as defending the company that takes advantage of and discards them.
The mod-supported ultra-widescreen option was not good. Bethesda’s update is definitely better than it was, and since that was the only Fallout mod I used these updates are all good to me.