Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined

  • MentalEdge
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    20810 months ago

    TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.

      • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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        -210 months ago

        There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it’s through their “wireless charger”, which is proprietary.

        • Dark Arc
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          6710 months ago

          And some people will always want a headphone jack… oh wait…

          • @zzz@feddit.de
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            910 months ago

            The difference with wireless listening vs. charging is that the former doesn’t need close to 2x the power of the cable-bound method and doesn’t destroy the phone’s battery in the process, unlike the latter

            • @Yoddel_Hickory@lemmy.ca
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              1610 months ago

              Wireless listening absolutely needs more than 2x the power of wired listening. It also needs charging an entire other device. You’re right that it doesn’t affect the phone battery, though I don’t think wireless charging “destroys” it.

              • @T156@lemmy.world
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                310 months ago

                It warms it up, and you’re not going to get the absolute maximum battery life out of it if you’re wireless, but the impact usually isn’t that big, unless you’re really cooking it. Using the standard fast charger that comes with your phone is probably going to put about as much, if not more wear than a. 10W wireless charger.

                You’re not meant to wirelessly charge it by sticking it in the microwave.

                Wireless listening absolutely needs more than 2x the power of wired listening. It also needs charging an entire other device

                It might be more than that. A wired headset is incredibly simple, unless you’re running a ridiculous amplifier through it. It’s just two speakers, maybe a microphone and button if it’s a mobile headset.

                By comparison, wireless listening would usually need the audio encoder/decoder chips, the Bluetooth receiver/transmitter, the processors for the pairing/controls/noise cancellation, and the speakers on top of that. That’s not a small amount of componentry.

              • @zzz@feddit.de
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                010 months ago

                I’ve tried using wireless charging in a friend’s car on my iPhone SE a few weeks back.

                Result: notification that charging had (!) to be stopped at around 50% due to overheating and was poised to continue once the iPhone had cooled down sufficiently. It never continued as that was all I needed to know about the current state of wireless charging with light usage on the side.

                Good point on the wireless listening and ear pieces needing a battery as well, though. I guess with those it comes down to convenience for most buyers.

          • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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            610 months ago

            I can’t imagine Europe wouldn’t lose their shit if Apple removed it entirely. And if Android manufacturers did that consumers would also promptly lose their shit.

            Beyond the consumer, having a physical port is beneficial to Apple. Businesses use attached devices (e.g. barcode scanners, DSLR camera attachments, charging stations) all the time. It’s more common on Android phones, but I do see iPhones using these sorts of things. My local movie theater uses iPhones to scan tickets with an attached Lightning scanner, for example.

            I don’t disagree that wireless charging is more convenient, but from the standpoint of being in emergency situations where a cable is needed to charge your phone, it wouldn’t be easily possible if the port is removed. People might carry around charging bricks, and while wireless charging bricks do exist they’re not commonplace and they’re certainly slower than charging by wire. I can tell you nobody will want to carry around a portable wireless charger, although MagSafe is almost already just that.

            Playing devil’s advocate, it’s possible Apple does want things like portable wireless chargers to proliferate, like the one you can buy that slap onto the back of your phone. It means you’re buying more of their shit, which is something they seem to love so much. It would mean you’re buying MagSafe chargers or whatever proprietary crap they manufacture. I still do see it becoming an issue in emergency situations though, e.g. teens (a large user base of iPhones) use their phones a lot and borrow chargers from each other all the time.

            Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes, for now.

        • @sznio@lemmy.world
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          1510 months ago

          Some people will always want wires to transfer data,

          But that group of people is growing smaller and smaller with each year. I haven’t used a phone cable to transfer files once in the last 8 years. Phones just sync to cloud.

          • @BURN@lemmy.world
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            510 months ago

            Same. I think the last time I used a cable to transfer data onto my phone was iTunes syncing my iPhone 5s music. Once I moved to Spotify I never needed to sync again.

            It’s not the use case of everyone, but I’d bet the majority of iPhone users haven’t used a data transfer in years

          • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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            310 months ago

            I mean yeah I barely use cables to transfer data, but there are times I need to plug it in to back up files. The Pixel 7 Pro is also a bar of soap and slides off of my wireless charger, so it’s more reliable for me to use a USB-C cable. I also like having the phone next to me in bed, and so I use a USB-C cable.

            It just seems odd to remove something that is so reliable, even if only to have as a backup method. It would only make sense to remove it if wireless chargers are the dominant form of charging devices, especially in a portable manner.

            Having a port also enables things like game controllers and wired headphones, if the user chooses to do something like that.

            • @Bimbleby@lemmy.world
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              -110 months ago

              About the sliding phone, Apple has proposed a magnetic solution to that.

              Haven’t tried it, but seems to solve that specific issue.

              • @hackitfast@lemmy.world
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                110 months ago

                In this case I just have a case on my phone which stops it from sliding. But generally I do like having phones without cases on them.

          • @lud@lemm.ee
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            310 months ago

            I suspect cables are used more on Android because its filesystem is open so you can basically use an Android as a flash drive, which is very convenient at times.

            Also since Androids in general have a way faster wired connection, it’s more likely to be used for that.

            • @T156@lemmy.world
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              210 months ago

              Unlike iOS, Android also doesn’t have a way to easily transfer files over WiFi by default.

              Whereas if you’re embedded in the Apple ecosystem, you can airdrop something from your iPhone to your Mac straight out of the box (after getting set up).

              • @lud@lemm.ee
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                210 months ago

                You can install the share app on Windows for the same experience.

                I only use it for small files or photos. I use a cable for bigger files like movies or whatever, since it’s much faster.

                Using a cable with Android is also very easy since you don’t need any apps or anything. You just have to click a notification and set the USB mode to “file transfer” from “charge only”, after that it just works on pretty much every device. Fast USB ports are also useful because you can connect accessories to your phone like gigabit ethernet, and especially flash drives.

                I suspect iPhone users very rarely if ever, transfer big files since the iOS file system is so locked down. The only big thing I can imagine that they would need to transfer is filmed 4k video.

    • @lud@lemm.ee
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      610 months ago

      USB 3.0 is way faster than WiFi and some phones even gave 3.1

        • @lud@lemm.ee
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          -210 months ago

          Yes, I know that,

          The comment above implied that faster USB support isn’t needed because WiFi is faster anyways (obviously wrong).

          • @delta@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            910 months ago

            I don’t think they intended to imply that faster USB support _isn’t needed _, but rather they are making a mockery of how absolutely absurd this reality is.

      • MinekPo1 [She/Her]
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        And if USB SS+ (aka USB 3.1 gen 2 aka USB 3.2 gen 2×1) with 10 Gb/s is not enough for you, the newest iteration of the USB standard USB 4.0 version 2.0 has USB4 gen 4 at 80 Gb/s

        Edit: for reference: Wi-Fi 4 supports up to 600 Mb/s or .6 Gb/s, while Wi-Fi 7 supports up to 46.12 Gb/s

    • @riodoro1@lemmy.world
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      I dont know anyone who transfers anything besides power to the iphone via cable. What are you guys doing? Syncing it with itunes?

      • @nexas_XIII@lemm.ee
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        2110 months ago

        Apple car play would be a bitch if I don’t have a port since it doesn’t have wireless carplay. And my car is a 2023

          • @lud@lemm.ee
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            010 months ago

            They just said that a wired port is needed which apparently needs to be said because there are so many that thinks that portless is a good idea.

      • Dariusmiles2123
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        710 months ago

        Well if you don’t want to subscribe to iCloud, how can you do it except with iTunes?

        To be honest I’d really want to be able to create an image of my iPhone and back it up on my kdrive (a cloud storage service).

      • @danc4498@lemmy.world
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        210 months ago

        This was my thought exactly. I would sooner transfer over Wi-Fi than cable. This is a charging port to me.

        • @darth_helmet@sh.itjust.works
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          510 months ago

          It would actually be a lot safer if the charging port was only able to supply power. People plug their shit into random cables all the time and it’s been a vector for compromise.

          • @heals@lemmy.ml
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            310 months ago

            That’s a good point though the port is also needed to pair an iPhone or iPad to a Mac/PC (the famous ‘Trust This Device’ screen can only be triggered if a device tries to access the phones data via USB) which is required to do any backups / music or picture syncs in the first place. ,nd it’s also necessary if youre a developer as - even at USB2.0 speeds that people complain about here - it is still faster to test and debug applications than via wireless.

  • AbsolutelyNotCats
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    18810 months ago

    Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they’re just scamming their clients

    • @Michal@programming.dev
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      I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.

      If they are going to improve transfer speeds it’s not going to happen in the same iteration they’re being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:

      1. They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
      2. They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
      • @kalleboo@lemmy.world
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        1110 months ago

        The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year’s Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.

      • @Starbuck@lemmy.world
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        310 months ago

        Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.

  • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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    11510 months ago

    ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.

    • Rootiest
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      A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation

      • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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        I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.

    • @Sethayy@sh.itjust.works
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      7810 months ago

      dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice

    • @nathris@lemmy.ca
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      The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.

      I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.

      • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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        Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.

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          Thunderbolt seems excessive for most, but 3.0 would be welcome.

    • @wieli99@sh.itjust.works
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      1810 months ago

      You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?

      • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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        I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.

        To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.

        At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.

        • @wieli99@sh.itjust.works
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          Well we don’t know yet what port the pro model we have, so once we do, we’ll know whether it’s just scummy behavior once again, or if Apple decided to use low to midrange hardware on all their models

    • @3laws@lemmy.world
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      1010 months ago

      by reusing the same hardware

      I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.

      • @DrRatso@lemmy.world
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        110 months ago

        Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.

    • @PeachMan@lemmy.one
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      That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?

      • netburnr
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        210 months ago

        I’m with you, people use the cable for power, it’s pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He’ll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.

      • @DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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        I’m going over… that’s literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.

        RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.

    • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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      210 months ago

      I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.

      So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.

      • Flying Squid
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        I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection.

        I sure hope not. I’d have to take off my case every time I wanted to charge my phone.

        • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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          110 months ago

          I charge my samsung just fine with a decently fat case. Does apple have a weaker QI receptor?

          • Flying Squid
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            110 months ago

            I have a wallet case. It’s really really thick. It holds all my credit cards and drivers license and stuff.

            • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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              I see. I believe that Apple’s vision is that payment cards and drivers licence will soon be fully integrated in the phone, eliminating the need for a wallet case. Not that I’m an Apple user, but I am pretty much at the point of never using physical payment cards, and my drivers licence has a digital version in my country.

              • Flying Squid
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                210 months ago

                I’ll still need my health insurance card, my driver’s license, etc. That won’t work on a phone.

                • @dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee
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                  110 months ago

                  My health insurance is fully digital and my country has an official app for driver’s licences. This varies from country to country, but I think we’re all heading in that direction.

  • @Hazdaz@lemmy.world
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    They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.

    Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren’t dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.

    You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: “The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price.”

    • @postmateDumbass@lemmy.world
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      This is not innovation that helps the market.

      This is the reason capitalism will never maximize life for any but the few at the top.

    • @Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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      I don’t really see the point? Like who’s going to be excited about faster USB transfer rates in 2026?

      • @Thann@lemmy.ml
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        The same people that get excised about the current generation of apple BS?

        • @Mdotaut801@lemmy.world
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          210 months ago

          Not all apple users. I recently bought a 2 year old MacBook and a refurbished iPhone 11. I like the products and they mesh together well which is all I need for personal use and school. I have simple needs and don’t give a shit about the latest and greatest apple products. Just need it to function well, and work together in harmony. That being said, a lot of apple fanboys and fangirls will suck apples D over any little change and spend stupid amounts of money they don’t have on something very overpriced just to have the latest and greatest. Usually not for their sake but for the sake of telling others.

      • @Petter1@lemm.ee
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        I mean who really cares 2023? Who used this port for data transfer later than 2015? I guess for proRAW it makes some sense. But even less with the airDrop later over internet in background. And proRAW even is a iPhone pro feature isn’t it.

        • @CeeBee@lemmy.world
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          210 months ago

          Just because you don’t care, doesn’t mean other people don’t care that their $2000 device is stuck at USB 2.0 speeds.

          • @Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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            -110 months ago

            Are you stuck with fax v34 speeds because your telecom hasn’t upgraded your landline to support the more modern v300 or are you fully covered by your internet equipment instead?

    • @BreakDecks@lemmy.ml
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      310 months ago

      In 3-4 years, WIFI 7 will be standard, and Apple will completely remove data pins from the charging port because nobody has used them since WIFI 6.

  • @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8110 months ago

    In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!

  • @TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id
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    Yes, I can’t wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C for iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.

  • t0m5k1
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    Why anyone would buy into this crap is beyond me.

    • @kvothelu@lemmy.world
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      2810 months ago

      they have created the culture of superiority. a posh product for our shallow acquaintances. it’s a great filter test actually.

      • Bri Guy
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        610 months ago

        seriously…so sick of people being like, “ew why do your text messages show up green” and just buying everything apple cuz it’s apple.

      • @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        610 months ago

        Have you met a large chunk of US voters? People actively vote against their interests because they don’t want “them” getting the same benefits.

        • @kroy@lemmy.world
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          310 months ago

          This is a patently absurd comparision

          I don’t even like Apple, but when you talk about their mobile ecosystem (mainly looking at phones/watches) here, Android is laughably behind at this point.

          • Apple devices last stupid long.
          • First one here counts for both batteries and vendor support. This is for the worst reason, the walled garden, but it works. There have been a few times I realized my magsafe charger was unplugged… for three days in a row. But my battery was rolled into about 5% at the end of the third day and dozens of hours of SoT.
          • The 2021 OS release supported 2015 phones. Current OS is to 2017 phones. Point out any major Android vendor still supporting their 2017 phones until at least mid 2024.
          • I was a devout Android worshipper. I twrp’d, greenified, rooted, removed any social media apps, etc and everything else. And then I realized I hated having to do that to make it with a device that would have over 50% battery by lunch.
          • I grew up. I went from loving to tweak with my phone all the time, to just wanting it to reliably work.
          • One of my most important pieces of tech is my watch. I use it for payments, travel, access, and everything else. And the Apple watch versus ANY OTHER ANDROID offering is the reason I will never use Android again. Shit just works. Mindlessly. And never has downtime.

          I use linux on my desktop and laptop, but iPhone is the only phone that matters.

          • @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I use an iPhone, I was just making a point.

            Though I will point out, Apple is good at supporting their devices… for the warranty period. After which their solution is usually “pay so much to repair this device you may as well be buying the newest version.” For most purchases, this is 1 year unless required by law.

            The walled garden for apps is extremely restrictive and honestly bull. Want examples? Install a porn app, or a network scanner app, or one of the many categories they deem “saturated.” Their walls don’t even stop scams or malware, both of which have made it into the store in the past, the latter of which can still easily be found.

            The majority of the rest I agree with though.

    • @heavymetalsheep@lemmy.world
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      110 months ago

      I’ve been an Android user all my life. Nexus, 2 one pluses, Samsung flip, and now on Pixel. I’ve also been pretty anti apple. I feel Android isn’t being able to hold it’s weight very well anymore. I find the experience a little meh and the below average battery doesn’t help. I’m not happy with the Pixel at all. Back in the day, I felt Apple was just overpriced and didn’t bring anything to the table and was almost exclusively garbage. Over the last one year I’ve been thinking more and more about giving it a try. I might switch into an iPhone 15 this year to see how it is. What doesn’t help is trying to pick TWS earbuds. All of them have some issue or the other. The new XM5s rely too heavily on foam tips (and Sony made a design where finding third party replacement is a pain), Beoplay Ex has average ANC which is important to me. From all my research, it’s looking like the Airpods might be the most well rounded in what I’m looking for, I just need to compromise on the sound quality. I might get the airpods even if I decide to stick to Android. I don’t know, man. I feel like there’s nothing I’m truly happy with in the market anymore (and I’m willing to spend, just give me something good) and I’m hoping Apple is the least worst of the lot so I might give it a try this year. Windows is the only thing I can never switch away from. Sorry for the rant, I’ve been struggling a bit to find good products but it’s like all these companies just hate us.

      • @u_tamtam@programming.dev
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        I am unfortunate in that I am the owner of a pixel by choice, and given an iPhone by my employer. I hate Apple’s “exceptionalism” and inconsistencies, that they kept the lighting connector alive for so long, that they removed the audio jack even though I have good BY headphones, their constant bait for their ecosystem/cloud storage and whatnot, now this arbitrary cap on USB capabilities (the list is seemingly endless). iOS is also such a frustrating user experience. The perspective of typing long form on an iPhone is off-putting enough to often compel me to pick up the laptop or the pixel given how stupid the keyboard completion and text entry UX are. Don’t get me wrong, I also think Android is a terrible OS, but at least it’s not forcing its shortcomings down our throats. For instance, I use nova launcher and sesame shortcuts, so that I just type what I want (contacts, common actions, app-specific shortcuts, settings, directions, …) and barely do any menu/app navigation at all. And that’s what I want: to order my phone about my immediate needs and get immediate feedback/answers. Apple UX is about prettifying a workflow which I don’t want in the first place, stripping out elements of UX which I might need, and leveraging a hard to reach zoo of applications which never interact/complement each other. They really managed to turn an incredibly powerful device into a dumb phone. Did I mention already how frustrating the user experience is?

        • @heavymetalsheep@lemmy.world
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          Man, this sounds awful. I don’t even know what to do anymore. I think the most infuriating thing in the pixel for me is audio output. I’m always connected to some Bluetooth audio device. Switching between them(or deciding I want my output to be from the phone’s speakers) is insane. Only if some media is playing, can I switch otherwise I have to either go start playing something on Spotify or disconnect devices to be able to see the option of picking my output. The functionality is there but they’ve locked it behind some arbitrary logic. And coming from OnePlus I was blown away that suddenly I need 2 hours to completely charge my phone?! Wtf! 2 hours? For a phone that barely lasts the day on regular use!

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      I’m very much an Android user, but in an enterprise setting Apple products are so much easier to manage. When pushing certificates with profiles from Intune, we had no end of trouble with Android phones but iPhones were incredibly easy.

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    ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0

    • 𝔹𝕚𝕫𝕫𝕝𝕖
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      Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.

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        Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.

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          They still come with cables, just not bricks. That’s pretty much across the board on all phone manufacturers unfortunately.

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            110 months ago

            And other “small” devices… hell even my toothbrush came with only a charging cable,… with an usb-a port,… and no brick…. FUCK YOU PHILIPS!!! What the F!!!

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      This is irrelevant.

      We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.

      Limiting a flagship phone in 2023 to USB 2.0 transfer and charging speeds is a cheapskate move.

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        The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.

        The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.

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        410 months ago

        IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.

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        most new Android phones support > 3.0

        Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?

        Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/

        10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.

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        110 months ago

        Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.

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      Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds

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      1510 months ago

      There’s a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.

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      That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.

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      Yeah I’ve ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.

      I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn’t meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC’s case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.

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        The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.

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    Because of course they would sabotage their own product because of international standards that won’t let them nickel and dime their customers.

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    Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn’t matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding…

    So this is misleading, since the included cable coming in 2.0 speed (missing pins) absolutely does not mean that the iPhone USB-C port will only support 2.0.

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    To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn’t uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.

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      On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn’t mandate certain transfer speeds.

      The only thing mandated is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.

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        They are introducing changes to enforce USB-PD is present for charging.