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The left didn’t vote against fascism, but also the center didn’t. And the right, obviously.
I guess other things were more important.
Not having a genocide of PoC at home wasn’t one of them.
They share the blame, certainly, especially in depressing left-leaning turnout, but I think it was largely ‘swing voter’ twats sitting it out.
Suppose we’ll find out when more detailed analysis of this utter fuck-up and handing the keys to one of the most powerful countries in the world to fascists is available.
Blaming the people instead of the wet rag they ran.
The Dems running a wet rag is a significant failing and they share the blame for fascism coming into power.
At the same time, that in no way excuses the thought process of any voter who sat by and said, “I don’t like the wet rag. Let’s go with fascism instead!”
I’m over pointing fingers and playing holy than thou.
The people who plan to build a Hungarian-style autocratic government are in power now, and they’re hoping the left is exhausted and tired of fighting this shit for a decade.
This shit is going to be dangerous, and we’re going to have to motivate people to push back hard than even. Pointing fingers just divides us and makes us even weaker.
That’s a bummer because progressives couldn’t be bothered to stop an erasure of minorities and lgbt alongside a subjugation of women.
Quite simply, either you align with them or you can get fucked.
At least that’s how it’s currently playing out.
Libs couldn’t bother to stop a genocide to stop a fascist
Shortsighted progressives decided that people they dont know halfway around the world were more important than their friends and family.
Hope you can tell your wife/ girlfriend /sister you had the moral high ground when she’s declared property.
Hey buddy, um, your, uh, your chauvinism is hanging out.
Nothing says chauvinism like wanting women to keep their autonomy.
Maybe tell the guy who voted 3rd party/abstained.
Nothing says chauvinism like saying, “meh, what’s a few hundred thousand lives of brown people on the other side of the world to me.”
Chauvinism is a term used to describe sexism.
I like how you immediately use whataboutisms instead of addressing the problem that is the genocide she was actively conducting.
How about you start with why the genocide is a good thing and harris absolutely must not change her position instead of trying to guilt trip people. oh right… because genocides are actually horrible, and harris could have absolutely changed her position. oh well.
The DNC was most certainly not going to change their positions on the thing mentioned. Im not naive enough to believe abstaining or voting 3rd party would actively change anything for the better.
In fact, doing those things absolutely made things worse.
Again, congrats or your moral high ground. I hope youre lgbt friends are stoked lol
A: “Hey, why didnt you help to stop the rising tide of erasure in the United States?”
B: “People halfway around the world are more important to me than you are.”
You’ll note how you failed to even remotely answer the question i posed everyone:
what prevented harris from shifting positions on gaza if it could have won her the election?
Everything else in your post is the same nonsense you dweebs have been spewing for months.
The DNC was most certainly not going to change their positions on the thing mentioned.
Again why
It doesn’t matter why, and frankly, it’s weird that you think i have inside knowledge of the DNC policy choices.
That was their policy choice, and they stuck to it.
I get it, genocide is absolutely terrible, and it shouldn’t be happening anywhere.
You decided that genocide of palestinian people is worse than the genocide of lgbt and minorities and the subgjugation of women in the United States.
The real question is: why did you decide that people you dont know were more important than people you do know?
I know what i chose. I chose to support the people around me - the people i love and care about.
You chose strangers over the people you care about.
I hope you can look at your lgbt friends and the women you care about in the face and tell them you care about them less than people you dont even fucking know.
You chose the worst of the options.
And weirdly enough, you are happy about it.
And this entire statement doesnt even bring into account that you essentially chose the option that will crank the wheel of genocide (you know, that thing you supposedly hate?) even further.
I did my job. The democrats had one job too, and they failed.
It’s funny cause back when Biden was VP I kept bringing up how he was a terrible Democrat and we should stop making cute uncle Joe memes, cause he’s actually a horrible person who has hurt a lot of people with his blind drug war. And when I would bring that up, the other leftists would downvote me and call me a right winger, because we’re not allowed to criticize our own n side apparently.
So it’s funny that the same people who used to downvote any criticism of “uncle Joe” are the ones that are now calling anyone a Nazi if they support the Democrats.
Who said Lefts didn’t vote for Harris?
Are you manufacturing this? Where are the exit polls?
Might a better reason for why Fascism won with this election be that Democrats, including Biden, Harris, the DNC, and the consulting class, failed to campaign to their own base, and even more than their base since most Americans, Dems and Reps, approve of progressive policies?
Projection man
Biden got ~81m votes in 2020, Harris only got ~67m. >14m fewer people voted for her.
Trump also dropped by ~2m, only getting ~72m this time around vs. ~74m in 2020.
Trump didn’t win because of a giant right-wing national shift, he won because of voter apathy on the left.
Leftist here. I voted for Kamala. All the leftist media I consumed argued for voting for Kamala. All the leftists I knew vote for Kamala.
What are you talking about?
There were a few people on the left (with followings on social media) advocating for third party votes because Kamala wouldn’t say that she was going to stop sending money to Israel.
Post election, it looks like third party votes didn’t spoil anything.
Oh yeah, I was arguing with them all the time. I figured they were bots. Seems like they have all dried up right after the election.
Nope, we’re still here. sorry your candidate lost! maybe she shouldn’t have tossed the 25 electoral points into the trash bin for 2 months right out of the gate. 🤷 If you want votes from the people who are not monsters you need to run candidates who are not monsters. I have yet to see people give a single reason why harris couldn’t have shifted on gaza that isn’t ‘lesser evil’, ‘trump bad’. never mind all the other issues with her campaign. hilariously she and biden and the rest of the dems don’t seem too upset they lost. guess they didnt mind getting trump and losing the senate.
We will all be sorry she lost. Also I voted for the lesser of two evils here. Kamala and I are not ideology aligned. Also I agree with most of your critiques of her campaign, but I think any democratic would have made these mistakes.
Virtue signal harder friend it wont save you. We’ll be here if it actually gets bad but the democrats are done as an option given this last campaign.
How am I virtue signaling? Also, I agree, we are in a era of populism, I think this last election showed that liberal policy wonkery does not sell anymore.
Democrats need to change their tact if they’re planning on winning any more elections.
I voted for harris
you’re straight up virtue signalling by definition. virtue signalling is where a person makes statements that identifies them as part of the ‘group’ they are communicating with in order to make unacceptable actions acceptable.
In this particular case you’re trying to soften the blow for ardent progenocide supporters for harris. unfortunately they need to the cold hard truth to wake them up.
You:
I voted for harris, don’t hurt me, I didnt agree with her but I still was in your group!
Please don’t take my response to you in a negative manner I’m just pointing out what you did. You are free to self reflect on it however you wish. If your position has merit it can stand on its own without resorting to virtue signalling.
But in my opinion this exact behavior is why harris lost. people were so busy virtue signalling they didnt support trump and dog piling all their stress onto anyone who told them harris was going to lose that harris’ campaign didn’t pick up exactly how fucked they actually were over gaza and the economy.
Most people are not like myself, they wont go out of their way to tell you how fucked up something is unless it negatively impacts them. Its why the arabs were screaming the entire campaign but very few others like myself were. instead they saw what was happening and just wrote harris off after comparing her actions to trumps words. Aka: trump may act and say hes a monster, but at least he doesn’t lie to my face about it.
so fix your party? sounds easier than fixing that individual.
Oh it’s you. The one who claimed it was a false dichotomy but I somehow predicted the future.
Let’s both watch what becomes of Gaza over the next four years on top of all the other bullshit Trump will pull.
Thanks for nothing!
You’re welcome you also noted I never denied it would be one or the other. I said it was a false choice that people had to vote for one or the other.
You were warned. you’re welcome for the warning. Im sorry you and harris didnt grasp the breadth of the problem at hand and completely blew the election.
So kindly fix your party or replace them. Im certainly done with them at this point.
Democrats continuing to blame everyone but themselves, as usual.
The Democrats could have run a turd as a candidate with the slogan “it’ll be a shit show” and I’d still have voted for them with no regrets, because I understand that fascism is an existential threat. If the Democrats are to blame in any way, it’s because they didn’t try to get people to understand that OH WAIT THEY DID.
Should the Democrats have run a better candidate and a better campaign? Obviously yes. Is it their fault that voters were willing to let a fascist win? Not even a little.
Guess what, not everyone thinks that, and a good politician would actually promise to improve people’s lives instead of continually talking about how bad the other guy is.
Trotting out the least popular Republicans ever as being on your side didn’t help either.
not everyone thinks that
Yes, obviously not everyone thinks fascism is an existential threat. Which is probably one of our greatest failures as a society, in terms of education.
If the democrat party genuinely gave a shit they would of held a primary and nominated a qualified and popular candidate. They didn’t. They don’t care!
the democratic party never fought like it was existential threat and it showed. ‘Long as I did my best’ indeed biden, indeed.
I just want you to note that at the bottom of the link you sent me it essentially says it’s written with chat gpt.
It’s not trustworthy, though I agree with it.
This content was partially produced with the help of Benzinga Neuro and was reviewed and published by Benzinga editors.
Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.
You’re defending the people who embraced the Cheneys and told Bernie and Tlaib to get fucked. Cutting off money and weapons to Israel- who represent only 2.4% of the US population- to end a genocide was the easiest possible win imaginable.
If by “defending” you mean “placing blame where it belongs” then yeah.
Like, if a serial killer has killed ten people then gets charged with killing an eleventh, but he didn’t, then I’d “defend” him too because the person who actually did the crime is still out there and should be held accountable.
You’re making it out as if I’m trying to say the serial killer didn’t murder anybody. That’s not what I’m saying.
The Democrats fucked up, big time. But it’s the electorate who let a fascist win.
No, the electorate told them exactly what was going to happen months in advance over gaza.
Biden/Harris decided YOLO! and found out.
“You better stop selling weapons to Israel so that Iran can steamroll you, or we’re going to throw the largest and most powerful country to the fascists”
I wouldn’t take that insanity seriously either. And that’s why I’m getting downvoted by a bunch of insane failures of anti fascism. Which is fine, I’m only frustrated at your refusal to take responsibility for your failure, which no amount of “they made me do it” will absolve you from; you’re responsible for your actions, nobody else.
Indeed we are, and my actions will never support a genocidal candidate while yours did. Doesn’t particularly matter which genocidal we get when thats the bar. I will admit to a small perverse pleasure knowing you dweeds will be suffering at least a small amount of discomfort. It was the least i could do for the harm we’ve inflicted on Palestinians and the shit stain behavior of people like yourself and harris.
The irony of this comment is profound.
I’m proud of my choices because I fought to harm as few people as possible.
You’re proud of your choice because you believe your hands are clean despite your choice harming the most number of people.
Your hands are not clean. I hope some day you realize it.
You’re absolutely correct. Your actions didn’t support a “genocidal candidate”. But your INACTION certainly supported a genocidal candidate.
This is entirely on all of you.
It was Fascism vs. Fascism Lite
Shit like this is why Trump won.
It’s the truth, plain and simple. Your refusal to see it is part of the problem
Democrats are Republicans Lite. MAGA are fascists.
And Democrats tried to appeal to MAGA instead of their own voting base.
Democrats aren’t great. At all. But to call them fascists is just ridiculous. They’re just liberal capitalists.
You obviously don’t understand what fascism is. I recommend Umberto Eco’s essay "Ur-Fascism"as a good primer. Maybe read that before you make anymore ignorant comments like this one.
It’s asshats like you that put us here, congrats!
BluE MaGa amiright?
The DNC would rather lose with a neoliberal than win with a progressive. If they want to get there shit together they have to win with the working class and ordinary people.
They can’t be elitist centrists. They’ll lose every election if they do. The future is now old man
