• pjwestin@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Help divide the left vote by making memes about the left-leaning candidate

    Yeah, man, great point. I mean, I was going to say that it was the campaign’s fault for prioritizing getting Republican votes over leftists votes, like when they promised to appoint Republicans to the cabinet or did campaign events with Liz Cheney and Laura Bush, that split the left from the party and made them not want to turn out. But now that I think about it, you’re right; it was devisive memes that cost her the election, not the decisions of a national political party with billions of dollars to spend. Great point, dude, great fucking point.

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      3 months ago

      Anyone with the slightest sense of empathy or self-interest should look at Trump and think “It would behoove me keep that out of power.”

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        3 months ago

        OK. Then why are you blaming the left? If it’s basic human decency to vote against Trump, why aren’t moderate Republicans Harris was campaigning for responsible for this loss? Why do you demand the left elect your politicians out of sense of empathy, even though the Democrats don’t want address the issues that are important to them, but these moderates that the entire campaign was tailored to aren’t held to the same standards? Why do you expect more decency from the people you ignore than the people you campaign for?

        • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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          Simple, because those are the people it should matter to. Those are the people with the most to lose. Those are the people who are more likely to have LGBTQ+ friends and family. The moderates don’t give a shit and should never have been catered to in the first place, but these people tossed aside the people and things they claim to love in order to make a stand. That’s why I expect more from them, because they’re in a position to be more hurt by it.

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            Oh, I get it now; you’re fucking entitled. You’re entitled to the progressives’ support, even if they have to support a genocide they find morally reprehensible. You’re entitled to the time they spend standing in a poll line, even if their a poor, hourly worker that’s giving up a shift to be there. You’re entitled to their vote, even if your party doesn’t earn it. Well, maybe someday you’ll also feel entitled to competent party leadership that can turn out the fucking vote.

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              3 months ago

              “Wanting people who are supposedly on the Left to vote against fascism is entitlement”

              Yeah, that’s about the tune that’s been played for the past year or os.

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                No, wanting one specific group to save you from fascism, even though you offer them nothing, is fucking entitled. You want the God damn left to show up and bail your asses out every god Damn election, but you never want to offer them a God damn thing. We don’t even have the numbers yet, so we have no fucking clue how many progressives showed up for Harris, but this sub is already filling up with folks whose first (and only) move is to punch left. The Democrats want to try to win by exclusively chasing centrists’ votes? Then go blame the fucking centrists when you lose. Or better yet, blame the party, since it’s literally their God damn job to win elections.

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                  No, wanting one specific group that you refuse to save you from fascism, even though you offer them nothing, is fucking entitled.

                  That we refuse to save?

                  I’m sure you have a great screed ready about how both sides are the same, but considering that one side just won, you shouldn’t be bothered in the least.

                  You want to be pandered to, and think that’s what involvement in an election is about, not the exercise of political power by the citizenry. You had power. You did nothing with it. You stood by as fascism swept into stronger positions. And you fascist-enablers absolutely deserve a share of the blame.

                  Have fun with yourselves, Zentrum.

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        3 months ago

        They should’ve, yes. And yet more than half of this country did not.

        I urge you to think more critically about why this happened. The margin by which we lost cannot be attributed to a few leftists making memes.

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          I would urge you to remember that this post itself is a meme. Of course “a few leftists making memes” isn’t the root cause, it’s just one that I personally witnessed swaying people and that particularly pisses me off.

          And yes, the Dems could’ve and should’ve done better, but I would like to be able to believe that people are smart enough to not commit suicide by apathy, and I feel justified in being pissed off at those who dragged the whole country down by failing to show a little self-preservation instinct.

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            I feel justified in being pissed off at people whose first reaction to all of this is to blame the left. Because y’all do this after every election we lose, and learning nothing is how we go on to lose the next election.

            Blame the people who voted for Trump. Think for a minute about why they did, and then think about what we can do differently next time.

            Not learning is what will drag the whole country down.

            • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Why do that when we can blame nebulous leftist memes they 0.005% of voters saw? Obviously that’s the cause of a massive failure of messaging and policy making.