What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?

— Only the monstrous anger of the guns.

Only the stuttering rifles’ rapid rattle

Can patter out their hasty orisons…

– Wilfred Owen

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      He owned eight humans when he died. He liberated slaves to oversee other slaves. Calling him a socialist is like calling Marx a neoconservative.

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        I didn’t say he was a socialist, I said his relationship with slavery was complicated. Which it was, as you can see if you just read that part of the Wikipedia entry.

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            Ok, and the comment I replied to said a thing about a man whose name you got wrong which is not as black-and-white as you make it out to be. You don’t get to be free from criticism yourself, sorry.

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              Except it is. He owned slaves throughout his life. That is at complete odds with socialism.

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                  And again the initial comment I replied to made that claim which is why we keep returning to it. You then tried to back that up by claiming it was more complex than that because he had a nuanced view on slavery. Im saying it isn’t relevant because he died owning slaves which is at direct odds with every form of socialism I am aware of.