I’m not excited to vote for a corporate Dem again, but if that’s what it takes to keep a twice impeached fascist out of the White House, we’ll then, sign me the fuck up.
I’m not excited to vote for a corporate Dem again, but if that’s what it takes to keep a twice impeached fascist out of the White House, we’ll then, sign me the fuck up.
This is Biden’s entire re-election strategy in a nutshell. I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for him too for the exact same reason, but I’m tired of having preselected candidates rolled out in front of me and being forced to vote for the less shitty person.
I’m sorry to tell you but that is the entire history of the US presidential election system. Before the mid-1800s some states didn’t even let the public vote, the legislature of the state selected their electoral representatives who picked the president.
“Voting isn’t marriage, it’s public transport. You’re not waiting for “the one” who’s absolutely perfect: you’re getting the bus, and if there isn’t one to your destination, you don’t not travel- you take the one going closest.”
And Biden is 80 years old. Trump is 77. I believe we should have upper age limits on presidents the same way there is a lower age limit. The country doesn’t need more old corrupt white men running it.
Many years ago I was invite to sit on a board of a charity I was involved with. Everyone else was about that age. Congress made a lot more sense to me after that experience.
That problem is more easily solved by congressional term limits, which I also believe should be a thing. Too many people in congress spend their time staying in congress and collecting bribes than being the public servants the position is supposed to be
Freshmen members of Congress have few/no connections and ability to make deals. They often network via more senior members. Without these structures in place, and especially without long-term accountability to their constituents, they are highly incentivized to simply follow the money and cash out.
People always like to say politicians are dishonest thieves in the pocket of various interests, but politicians vote with their constituents an overwhelming percentage of the time and regularly enjoy high levels of support from constituents even when Congress’s approval ratings are in the toilet.
People like their representatives, and want the rest of Congress to be more like them, more often than not
Couple the above with the massive churn term limits would oppose and the broken gerrymander/primary system that rewards the most extreme candidates, and you have a recipe for disaster.
And this is precisely why we need to vote in candidates at lower level elections that support making modifications to how we vote.
Bring in Star Voting, Approval Voting, Ranked Choice Voting, etc… Pretty much anything but the current system. The Forward Party is primarily focused on this goal of overhauling our current voting system to help fix this problem of being force to vote for candidates that we don’t really want.
Politics in those so-called democratic countries with mathematically rigged representative-allocation systems that create power duopolies, looks a lot like a play in many sports (the soccer version is called the “one-two”) were two players pass the ball back and forth to cross the opposing team’s defense: bad defenders will try to go after the ball, good defenders see it as the play for the other team to score that it is.
Sure, it’s years between ball-passing but it’s still the same principle of passing the ball back and forth whilst maintaining the same direction of travel and aiming to score for the same side.
Looking at it like that, it’s no surprise that all during those years of voters “choosing the lesser evil” the overall level of evil in politics has slowly kept going up.
I still laugh at all the left voters who were convinced to throw their vote away the first time but now have to live with a Republican led supreme court for the next 40 years. Hopefully we don’t see a repeat of people disengaging from the election process again
Meh, this is too harsh. No point in laughing at them when we’re locked up right next to them. I’m just glad very many have seen the mistake they made. I’ll welcome a repentant 2016 green voter with open arms. The ones who still see nothing wrong with the third party votes in 16 and have no regrets can go find a rusty cactus to fuck themselves with though.
Whatever his strategy needs to be to rope in the crazies, I’m just glad my first choice back in the primaries won the Presidency.
Some of us are really happy Biden is in the white house. Only thing I dislike about Biden is that he’s too protectionist for me, but that’s still a 95/100 or so
In no particular order: 90%ish of his foreign policy, a significant majority of his trade policy and domestic policies (I think he’s too protectionist but I knew that going in), his character, his passion about the little guy, his ability to negotiate deals, his environmental policy in broad strokes, that he actually succeeded in infrastructure reform at the federal level which is bonkers, his marriage, how he is as a dad, that he sometimes forgets not to curse, his support of unions coupled with his ability to make the right, hard choice, and his aviators
Take solace in the fact that we’ll get a new candidate next election cycle. The trick will be convincing the democratic establishment that “not Trump” won’t work forever and they need to start putting forth candidates that actually get the voters excited.
I wouldn’t imagine it’ll even work for longer than an election cycle or two; Trump is pretty old and hasn’t taken as good care of himself as he could (though admittedly he is rich and therefore has access to good healthcare), so if one goes too long, he won’t be around to run and so anyone voting to avoid him specifically won’t have that motivation, and even if he lives a long a healthy enough life to keep running for some time to come, if he loses a couple more elections and continues to turn the people against him he may begin to fade from political relevance (he’s got his dedicated supporters, sure, but if he’s not gaining new ones those will become a shrinking fraction of the electorate). Finally, if Trump wins another election, then either he successfully dismantles or controls the election system, making the issue moot, or he does not, and is therefore ineligible to run again after that term.
There’s the potential that whatever republican replaces Trump gets people similarly upset at them to use the same strategy, but relying on Trump himself to drive people to vote against him won’t be viable for long whatever happens.
Honestly I have my doubts (not in the US but very similar political setup here) the options seem to be that you can vote for shit (right) or mud (centre), or no one of course. The three outcomes for each vote always seems to be:
-no one: shit and mud both decide they need to get shittier to attract more voters.
-shit: mud decides it needs to be more like shit.
-mud: mud concludes that we’re all perfectly happy with mud and there’s no need to actually try and be anything pleasant.
“Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
That seems pretty on point to Trump, most things he says follow those lines. He likes Putin, he wanted to have all the power/authority not just over the exec branch, clearly is racist, says racist things, and does racist things. Loves wealth inequality and supporting policies that increase the wage/income gap and reduce law enforcement against the wealthy/increase it on the poor, chose supreme court justices that would force social norms onto people against their will. If he had his way, he’d absolutely love to be the head of an autocracy.
Maybe some of my points are stretching it, but that last one is pretty much all that’s needed. The term Fascist isn’t automatically Hitler, just like conservative isn’t automatically Hitler.
You don’t think your guy who literally tried to fire anyone investigating him and has plans to increase the power of the president if he gets re elected wants to be a dictator? Propaganda is indeed working, the shit is straight from his mouth you dumbass
Here are all the U.S. Presidents Ranked and coded by their administration ideology. Yes, the Trump Administration leaned Fascist based on policy and actions taken.
A neo liberal think tank probably. It has some completely ridiculous things on it like calling FDR and Lydon Johnson communists and slave owners as “centrists”.
Except Biden is a an imperialist warmonger, has not even slightly lessened the abuse of asylum seekers , has expanded police power to kill people and is general inactive in anything else to the point where no you shouldn’t sign up. You should build dual powers structures organize outside of the capitalist system.
Normally, I don’t respond to “bOtH sIdEs” comments, but I was worried that other people might listen to you and won’t show up to vote, or will throw it away on a 3rd party candidate when our country unfortunately isn’t set up for that to work. We’d have to reform how voting works and campaign finance laws to even possibly make what you’re suggesting a tiny bit workable.
Things Biden has gotten done that are important to me in no particular order:
Ukraine response
Bipartisan (barely - 13 Rs in House, 19 Rs in Senate) Infrastructure Law (spending on fixing bridges, roads, etc.)
CHIPS and Science Act (semiconductor chip manufacturing)
Inflation Reduction Act (capped Medicare drug costs at $2k out of pocket, capped insulin prices for Medicare to $35 per month, increased funding for IRS to modernize and audit the wealthy, increased corporate taxes, investment in green energy)
Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (strengthened background checks on guns, incentives red flag laws)
Paused federal executions after Trump undid the previous freeze
Repealed Trump’s ban on trans troops in the military
Attempting student loan debt relief
Released oil from the National Reserve to make gas prices less painful
Signed bill for veteran burn pit care
Postal Service Reform Act (modernize and fix the USPS)
Respect for Marriage Act (forces ALL states to recognize same-sex marriage and interracial marriage rights)
Renewed Violence Against Women Act after Trump let it expire
Declared Juneteenth a holiday
Pardoned federal convictions of marijuana possession
Spent over $10.7 billion on federal, state, local, and tribal land conservation and has protected over 12 million acres of national public land (some of which had their protections removed by Trump)
This is just word salad. You want to blame him for shit only a dictator could do. He has appointed a lot of federal judges bro, but he can just remake SCOTUS. Get off your unrealistic podium. At best you’re an idiot and at worst you’re just a republican trying to spew propaganda.
I’m an anarcho-communist so no not a republican. It’s not word salad its refuting the word salad above praising biden for minor performative things or blatantly bad things. I’m not for the united states or supreme court existing but if he wanted to he could try to expand it but no he won’t do that, he could pardon all non violent drug offenders, all political prisoners, he could do many things and every second he isn’t he is guilty of unimaginable suffering.
You should build power structures and organise outside of the system, but that doesn’t mean you should also vote. It has a much more immediate impact and even if Biden isn’t exactly great, he’s still drastically better than any republican.
I think the best proof that third parties aren’t worth your vote is that they aren’t remotely interested in building these independent power structures. They just run a grift where they say a bunch of buzzwords, put up a candidate, and ask for your donations to fund their yachts.
I’m not excited to vote for a corporate Dem again, but if that’s what it takes to keep a twice impeached fascist out of the White House, we’ll then, sign me the fuck up.
This is Biden’s entire re-election strategy in a nutshell. I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for him too for the exact same reason, but I’m tired of having preselected candidates rolled out in front of me and being forced to vote for the less shitty person.
I’m sorry to tell you but that is the entire history of the US presidential election system. Before the mid-1800s some states didn’t even let the public vote, the legislature of the state selected their electoral representatives who picked the president.
“Voting isn’t marriage, it’s public transport. You’re not waiting for “the one” who’s absolutely perfect: you’re getting the bus, and if there isn’t one to your destination, you don’t not travel- you take the one going closest.”
And Biden is 80 years old. Trump is 77. I believe we should have upper age limits on presidents the same way there is a lower age limit. The country doesn’t need more old corrupt white men running it.
Many years ago I was invite to sit on a board of a charity I was involved with. Everyone else was about that age. Congress made a lot more sense to me after that experience.
That problem is more easily solved by congressional term limits, which I also believe should be a thing. Too many people in congress spend their time staying in congress and collecting bribes than being the public servants the position is supposed to be
Congressional term limits would dramatically increase risk of corruption in elected officials
Any reason why you believe that? Just more turnover and knowledge sharing?
Think about who would have the time and money to run for office when there’s high turnover. It’s the wealthy fucks.
I think a better approach is improving candidate quality. More of us need to run for office.
Freshmen members of Congress have few/no connections and ability to make deals. They often network via more senior members. Without these structures in place, and especially without long-term accountability to their constituents, they are highly incentivized to simply follow the money and cash out.
People always like to say politicians are dishonest thieves in the pocket of various interests, but politicians vote with their constituents an overwhelming percentage of the time and regularly enjoy high levels of support from constituents even when Congress’s approval ratings are in the toilet.
People like their representatives, and want the rest of Congress to be more like them, more often than not
Couple the above with the massive churn term limits would oppose and the broken gerrymander/primary system that rewards the most extreme candidates, and you have a recipe for disaster.
And this is precisely why we need to vote in candidates at lower level elections that support making modifications to how we vote.
Bring in Star Voting, Approval Voting, Ranked Choice Voting, etc… Pretty much anything but the current system. The Forward Party is primarily focused on this goal of overhauling our current voting system to help fix this problem of being force to vote for candidates that we don’t really want.
Politics in those so-called democratic countries with mathematically rigged representative-allocation systems that create power duopolies, looks a lot like a play in many sports (the soccer version is called the “one-two”) were two players pass the ball back and forth to cross the opposing team’s defense: bad defenders will try to go after the ball, good defenders see it as the play for the other team to score that it is.
Sure, it’s years between ball-passing but it’s still the same principle of passing the ball back and forth whilst maintaining the same direction of travel and aiming to score for the same side.
Looking at it like that, it’s no surprise that all during those years of voters “choosing the lesser evil” the overall level of evil in politics has slowly kept going up.
I still laugh at all the left voters who were convinced to throw their vote away the first time but now have to live with a Republican led supreme court for the next 40 years. Hopefully we don’t see a repeat of people disengaging from the election process again
laugh? or cry?
but yes, i feel a ton of resentment and lay the blame on the bunch of fucktards that couldn’t get off their couch when they could have done something.
Meh, this is too harsh. No point in laughing at them when we’re locked up right next to them. I’m just glad very many have seen the mistake they made. I’ll welcome a repentant 2016 green voter with open arms. The ones who still see nothing wrong with the third party votes in 16 and have no regrets can go find a rusty cactus to fuck themselves with though.
Whatever his strategy needs to be to rope in the crazies, I’m just glad my first choice back in the primaries won the Presidency.
Some of us are really happy Biden is in the white house. Only thing I dislike about Biden is that he’s too protectionist for me, but that’s still a 95/100 or so
What specifically do you like about Biden, then? Honestly curious.
In no particular order: 90%ish of his foreign policy, a significant majority of his trade policy and domestic policies (I think he’s too protectionist but I knew that going in), his character, his passion about the little guy, his ability to negotiate deals, his environmental policy in broad strokes, that he actually succeeded in infrastructure reform at the federal level which is bonkers, his marriage, how he is as a dad, that he sometimes forgets not to curse, his support of unions coupled with his ability to make the right, hard choice, and his aviators
Or like… any Republican
Take solace in the fact that we’ll get a new candidate next election cycle. The trick will be convincing the democratic establishment that “not Trump” won’t work forever and they need to start putting forth candidates that actually get the voters excited.
I wouldn’t imagine it’ll even work for longer than an election cycle or two; Trump is pretty old and hasn’t taken as good care of himself as he could (though admittedly he is rich and therefore has access to good healthcare), so if one goes too long, he won’t be around to run and so anyone voting to avoid him specifically won’t have that motivation, and even if he lives a long a healthy enough life to keep running for some time to come, if he loses a couple more elections and continues to turn the people against him he may begin to fade from political relevance (he’s got his dedicated supporters, sure, but if he’s not gaining new ones those will become a shrinking fraction of the electorate). Finally, if Trump wins another election, then either he successfully dismantles or controls the election system, making the issue moot, or he does not, and is therefore ineligible to run again after that term.
There’s the potential that whatever republican replaces Trump gets people similarly upset at them to use the same strategy, but relying on Trump himself to drive people to vote against him won’t be viable for long whatever happens.
Honestly I have my doubts (not in the US but very similar political setup here) the options seem to be that you can vote for shit (right) or mud (centre), or no one of course. The three outcomes for each vote always seems to be:
-no one: shit and mud both decide they need to get shittier to attract more voters.
-shit: mud decides it needs to be more like shit.
-mud: mud concludes that we’re all perfectly happy with mud and there’s no need to actually try and be anything pleasant.
People keep focusing on Donnie when all the other repug candidates would also be just as bad or worse.
And yes Cheeto is the focus because he’s the frontrunner but we can’t lose sight of the rest.
I’ve always been curious to know how Trump is a fascist? It always has seemed like a reactionary slur rather than a genuine label
“Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
That seems pretty on point to Trump, most things he says follow those lines. He likes Putin, he wanted to have all the power/authority not just over the exec branch, clearly is racist, says racist things, and does racist things. Loves wealth inequality and supporting policies that increase the wage/income gap and reduce law enforcement against the wealthy/increase it on the poor, chose supreme court justices that would force social norms onto people against their will. If he had his way, he’d absolutely love to be the head of an autocracy.
Maybe some of my points are stretching it, but that last one is pretty much all that’s needed. The term Fascist isn’t automatically Hitler, just like conservative isn’t automatically Hitler.
We know two different Trumps then apparently.
Propaganda working its magic
You don’t think your guy who literally tried to fire anyone investigating him and has plans to increase the power of the president if he gets re elected wants to be a dictator? Propaganda is indeed working, the shit is straight from his mouth you dumbass
I’m not denying I’m a victim of propaganda, but most people here are and it’s a red flag that they are victims of propaganda lol
Here are all the U.S. Presidents Ranked and coded by their administration ideology. Yes, the Trump Administration leaned Fascist based on policy and actions taken.
Thanks for sharing! Where’d you find the image? I’d be very curious to read about the methodology and ranking process.
what in the fuck
This means nothing lol who made this?
A neo liberal think tank probably. It has some completely ridiculous things on it like calling FDR and Lydon Johnson communists and slave owners as “centrists”.
Except Biden is a an imperialist warmonger, has not even slightly lessened the abuse of asylum seekers , has expanded police power to kill people and is general inactive in anything else to the point where no you shouldn’t sign up. You should build dual powers structures organize outside of the capitalist system.
Normally, I don’t respond to “bOtH sIdEs” comments, but I was worried that other people might listen to you and won’t show up to vote, or will throw it away on a 3rd party candidate when our country unfortunately isn’t set up for that to work. We’d have to reform how voting works and campaign finance laws to even possibly make what you’re suggesting a tiny bit workable.
Things Biden has gotten done that are important to me in no particular order:
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This is just word salad. You want to blame him for shit only a dictator could do. He has appointed a lot of federal judges bro, but he can just remake SCOTUS. Get off your unrealistic podium. At best you’re an idiot and at worst you’re just a republican trying to spew propaganda.
I’m an anarcho-communist so no not a republican. It’s not word salad its refuting the word salad above praising biden for minor performative things or blatantly bad things. I’m not for the united states or supreme court existing but if he wanted to he could try to expand it but no he won’t do that, he could pardon all non violent drug offenders, all political prisoners, he could do many things and every second he isn’t he is guilty of unimaginable suffering.
You couldve just said “yeah”
Nice nuanced argument against me.
It wasn’t an argument, but rather a joke at your expense.
If you’re saying someone you don’t like should be killed…. You probably need to re-examine your values.
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You should build power structures and organise outside of the system, but that doesn’t mean you should also vote. It has a much more immediate impact and even if Biden isn’t exactly great, he’s still drastically better than any republican.
I think the best proof that third parties aren’t worth your vote is that they aren’t remotely interested in building these independent power structures. They just run a grift where they say a bunch of buzzwords, put up a candidate, and ask for your donations to fund their yachts.
Lmao if Biden is making the crazy pacifist leftists mad, that’s just more support he gets from me
There is a difference between pacifism and opposition to American imperialism.
Not a significant one. It isn’t 2005 any more.
America is a net negative worldwide for anyone not an upper class citizen of the west to claim otherwise is delusion.
Lmao ok bud
How do you justify American imperialism?
Well to start with, America doesn’t engage in anything approaching imperialism. Hegemony is not imperialism. Words have actual meanings.
After that, I look at the longest period of sustained global peace in human history, caused entirely by US hegemony.
Then when I’m tired of that, I look at the ludicrous amount of net good the US provides the world through trade, influence, and military presence
Shit like that mostly.