• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    Jimmy Carter lost to him, and while looking back from fifty years later Carter looks progressive…

    At the time there was a fracture of the Dem party from the left because they considered Carter too moderate.

    The most important part of learning about our political history is understanding what we’ve lost over time. Like the existence of a party even remotely leftwing.

    Quick edit:

    A big reason for Carter’s loss was the inability to solve the Iranian hostage crisis right before the election. Which we later found out Republicans colluded with Iran to not resolve it while Carter was in office, then the whole Iran-Contra shit.

    Also reminiscent of how Nixon prolonged the Vietnam war for the same reason…

    And I won’t be surprised to find out in a decade Trump did the same with Israel.

    Like, people kept acting shocked about current events just don’t know we’re watching reruns. It’s like when people got excited about Game of thrones and waited years between seasons for cliffhangers. The books already existed and they could have just found out what happened.

    But just like they wouldn’t read the books, nobody wants to read a history book anymore.s

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      The Iranian hostage crisis was not a major part, it was more symbolic for how people felt about him - it mattered way more to Reagan as an issue of optics.

      Many Americans felt he was ineffective. What really drove that initial impression of being an ineffectual leader was the state of the economy, which whether you blame him or not was not very good. Stagflation was really bad when he was in charge. People remember high gas prices when they think of Carter.

      Now that I write this in some ways it mimics a lot of what happened with Biden.

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        Disagree that the crisis wasn’t a major part. He chose to work on the problems over campaigning, and was rewarded for doing his job with a loss. It was also a terrible time to be President, so probably wouldn’t have mattered anyway, and perhaps he realized that.

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        it was more symbolic for how people felt about him - it mattered way more to Reagan as an issue of optics.

        And the Iranian hostage crisis was intentionally prolonged for the purpose of becoming that symbol…

        Many Americans felt he was ineffective

        Yes, I already mentioned the party fractured before the election due to his moderate policies compared to the party.

        Now that I write this in some ways it mimics a lot of what happened with Biden.

        It literally is, but I had hoped you had realized that already after reading:

        people keep acting shocked about current events just don’t know we’re watching reruns.

        But in any case what matters now is realizing this isn’t unique, and we’re not heading down the right path.

        Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

        Isn’t just an old time saying, it’s the fucking truth and right now people need to read their history. You can’t just look up a random event to check against current events, you need to have an existing knowledge of history and be able to realize where, when, how, and most importantly why things are connected…

        Or at least listen to people who do.

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          Your comment reads like someone who is disagreeing with me but I feel like we largely agree…? Kind of hard to get a read here