Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
Here’s an idea:
Your current phone is enough.
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Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Ah, right. They have time until 2025 for replaceable batteries. They want to milk you until the last moment (not only Apple).
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I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Because I can’t get one for $10 a month and I don’t want to repurchase the hundreds of dollars worth of apps I’ve already paid for.
Imagine a world where we accept that things don’t have to be fantastically better than what came before, and we can find happiness in what we have.
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology
And they still don’t have PD on the pro.
My guess is that they’ll be going portless soon, and don’t want users freaking out that they can’t change their phones as quickly, so they’re intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.
They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that’s legal.
USB C without PD ain’t compliant with the EU regulation, so I hope for them, and their users, that PD is onboard.
A 15 year old technology pretty much every other phone uses now. A technology used in pretty much every modern laptop - especially Apple’s own - and many desktops.
Did Jobs build teams that invented the GUI, the cellphone, multitouch gestures, or mobile web browsing? No, he didn’t. But he built teams that productized those things better than anyone else before them, and that team forever changed our expectations for computing.
To be an innovative composer you don’t have to invent new instruments, scales, time signatures, etc. You have to know how to arrange existing stuff in new ways.
Yep, I am not a Jobs fan boy at all but he definitely had a clear goal and required people to get the product right before shipping it, to the extent to which that was possible for the tech at the time.
Yeah. The man was a piece of shit in several ways, but he was also good at what he did.
Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
It was not revolutionary in the sense of technology, it was revolutionary in the sense of getting the general public to understand and accept the idea of a smartphone.
EDIT: Not to say it’s still necessary. I mostly stick to the iPhone because I don’t want to repurchase all the apps I already purchased, some for a significant amount, if I have to replace my phone. If that becomes moot one day, like if iPhones get to the point that they’re unusable or somehow Apple goes under, I’ll switch.
So they had “innovative marketing”, ok.
Not for anyone that knew about mobiles…
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No dude, there were already symbian touchscreen devices on the market
What symbian device had a capacitive multi touch display in 2007?
Doesn’t mean the iPhone wasn’t revolutionary.
I was (and still am) a mobile app developer at the time. We had every major phone on the market in our office for testing purposes. Literally hundreds of different phones. You name any popular (and less popular) phone on the market at that time and I can guarantee you I’ve used it extensively.
The iPhone was absolutely revolutionary. However, it wasn’t because of a specific piece of technology, it was execution.
Symbian touch-screen phones existed, they were slow and laggy. The UI was nothing like the iPhone, which is built around directly manipulating UI elements with your finger. It seems obvious now, but back then it wasn’t. You could use the touch screen to manipulate a tiny scrollbar.
The closest thing to the iPhone was the LG Prada (KE850), which had a capacitive touch screen and the same scrolling mechanism as iPhone. However, it was small, had a tiny screen and was relatively slow. The software was also very limited, it was basically a feature phone, not a smartphone.
The iPhone was basically the first phone that got all of it right.
So what you’re saying is that it was an evolution of stuff already on the market. I mean the iPhone didn’t even have apps when it came out
Apple coined the term App with the introduction of the App Store. They weren’t called that before the iPhone. That’s how influential the iPhone and its ecosystem were.
I can’t stand Apple’s ecosystem, but pretending like it wasn’t a major shift is just weird.
It was absolutely a revolution.
The relevant definition of revolution: “a dramatic and wide-reaching change in conditions, attitudes, or operation.”
It didn’t matter if the technology already existed, hardly anyone was using it. Capacitive touchscreens existed, but there was no dramatic change, they were just used in the same way as resistive touchscreens. It was a different way of building a touchscreen, but very much an evolutionary change.
The iPhone was a revolution because it caused a dramatic and almost overnight change in the industry. What techies usually fail to see it that technology doesn’t matter. What matters is how it is used and what it allows people to do.
i was working in mobile at the time, and it was my job to keep up with the leading tech. i was using a Palm Treo when the iPhone was released, which was arguably the most advanced PDA phone at the time with blackberry being the primary competitor.
i vividly remember watching the announcement from the iphone and being shaken with how the device worked. the fact that you interact with it without a stylus, the highest resolution screen available on a PDA phone, combining the functionality of an ipod, phone, and rich HTML internet browsing device, and the fucking triple layered capacitive multi-touch touch screen were absolutely revolutionary. to say anything else is revisionist history. no one else had anything remotely like it.
and anyone who knew anything about mobiles at the time knew it was revolutionary and that the world was changing that day.
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.Edit: I’ve been schooled.
The lightning port is USB 2. The 15 is USB 2, powered by the same USB 2 chipset as the 14 pro. The only difference is the connector not the cables or encoding.
The 15 pro has USB 3, which is faster than the lighting port ever was.
Oh, I’ve been schooled. Thanks.
lmao what?
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
Apparently the Pro version has USB 3.0. Still mediocre compared to new Android phones (not just the flagships) that are pushing Thunderbolt.
Hooking up your android phone to an ultrawide with built-in dock is still funny, but not very useful.
I did it once with a Windows Phone. Bar the novelty thing, it is not something I found useful
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’d likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up
There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.
Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.
Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.
On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.
I bet you also think it’s the year of the Linux desktop 🙄
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.
Thats 50% of modern journalism. The other 50% is copying police press releases verbatim without investigation.
It’s always been a large chunk of journalism. Great Journalism always has and continues to exist, but the kicker is those people deserve to get paid for their work, and few people want to participate in paying for content, so low effort spam is more lucrative.
So stop buying them!
1/2 the people complaining about the lack of innovation will turn around and order a new iPhone within the next 12 months or so. Apple doesn’t know or care about your snarky comments about them, but they sure as hell know you just gave them many hundreds of dollars for a new phone.
100% this
It’s some idiots on Twitter being reposted by a trash tabloid. This site should be banned from here it’s garbage.
No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Isn’t the limit apply to non-pro devices only (which is still ridiculous btw)?
That is correct as the Pro devices have the A17 chip and the non pro are on the older A16 chip.
Wtf so the non pro are even worse than last year pro in every aspect?
And still 950€ for the base model …
no, the 15 is effectively the 14 Pro in an aluminum shell and 2 cameras instead of 3.
Is this a first year sort of thing or is it going to be this way going forward? Like, they didn’t want to have to engineer it for the older chip because it’ll be dropped after this year whereas the A17 will likely power the non-Pro Iphone 16 and the A18 will power the Pro version. I don’t put it past Apple to pull some douchery to try to drive Pro sales, but there could be a logical reason for it.
They’ve done it the last couple of models.
It’s a way to further differentiate the pro from the non pro, and to keep the non pro price the same. They haven’t changed the price on that since the 12.
The base has been $799 since 2020. Inflation alone should mean it would be $950 this year with no other changes.
Seems that it comes down to Apple adding a USB 3 controller in the
A16A17 chip where theA15A16 did not have one embedded. They’d otherwise need to have an external controller to add support in the non-pro phones which is easier said than done when dealing with a phone. Annoying but understandable at least.A17 and A16 respectively. You’re behind a year lol
Thanks - numbers are hard lol
Pro models support up to 10 gigs per second which is a touch more than 2.0
e.g. “pay us to remove the artificial speed.”
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
The iPhone is their cash cow. They need it to bring stable and sizeable income to fund things like vr goggles. I’m not saying the haters are wrong, just that their expectations for what Apple will innovate on the iPhone might be a little misplaced.
The iPhone is their cash cow
Isn’t the Apple ecosystem their cashcow? Get them hooked on one Apple device and “Look! Everything Just Works™” is kind of their shtick.
All accessory vendors are going “woah, revolutionary! Apple is now usb-c”, but Apple itself isn’t being too pushy about it. They’re more focused on the titanium shell, better cams and action button.
iPhone makes up like 75% of their hardware revenue.
The haters are looking for any surface to attack.
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
The base model of the iPhone still doesn’t have USB 3 and won’t have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.
They repinned the current chipset from the current iPhone 14 to use USB-C, which is why the base model won’t be USB3. They’ve done this with every model, the previous pro becomes the base model chipset next gen.
Next year the base model will likely have USB3. And lightning worked for 99% of Apple users. The 1% complained a lot, but the majority of iPhone users no longer plug in their phone to anything but the wall.
Honestly, with wireless charging, I rarely even plug it into the wall anymore. The only time I really use the Lightning connector is when I’m out for extended periods of time and need to plug into a power bank.
Same here. I have a MagSafe charger stand on my desk and it’s pretty much the only place I charge now. There’s been a few times I’ve tried to transfer files, but iTunes was such a PoS on Windows that I gave up
Apple users really just didn’t notice the limitations. Whether you consider that “working” is up to you.
Apple users are used to their phones taking ninety minutes to charge and not lasting the whole day. They consider that “normal” and are unlikely to consider that for Android devices, even cheap ones, sub-1 hour fast charging and all-day battery life are standard, not exceptions.
Apple’s (previously) bundled charger is a measly 5 W whereas my cheap $150 OnePlus comes with a 33 W charger, delivering over six times as much power. Granted, Apple devices tend to be more power-efficient than others, but not six times less.
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
I agree. We don’t really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making them buy the new version every year.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop, and that makes a lot of sense as to why people keep wanting more from them.
I would like to give apple credit for not rebranding USB Type-C and claiming they invented it.
Didn’t they actually participate in it’s invention…?
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they did, yes. something like half of the engineering team that developed USBC was provided by Apple.
I just miss all the backwards comparability Jobs used to maintain. When he was driving the bus, he may have been a complete asshole, but he made sure a 12 year old mac computer could still work with the new tech, as best as it could.
Snow Leopard was the last, glorious OSX that was secure (enough), and very malleable.
Now? I want to dump their whole ecosystem.
Do it. I did and never regretted it. I don’t know anyone who has. And you aren’t locked in like you think. It’s really easy to convert everything over.
I don’t think Apple has every really had great backwards compatibility. Apple’s last PowerPC computers shipped in 2005, and in 2009 Snow Leopard released with no PowerPC support. That’s 4 years of upgrades, which is about the same as it is now for macOS.
The only thing apple can really do to push the platform forward is to allow people to dock their phone and use it as a desktop.
But they are not doing this because it will hurt their laptop and desktop sales.
They also don’t want to let people sideload. They know that people will not want to use a washed down desktop version because people don’t like using the washed down iPadOS desktop version.
This will be tough when the USB interface is still using USB 2.0.
Even the USB 2.0 phones support DisplayPort 4K 60Hz/HDR https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/13/all-iphone-15-models-support-displayport/
Sure, 3.0 would be better for transferring files, but I’m personally not transferring stuff like this.
I do t expect apple to even do this for year anyway. Maybe that’s when I’ll do my next upgrade.
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
Hear this remark every year now.
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
It died long before Steve Jobs did. Steve straight up fought tooth and nail to keep superior emerging technologies like OLED off new iPhone’s.
