No, no, I’ve argued with enough of you over the years to know how you work. That’s a demand, alright, and a harmful one, not just for society as a whole but for stupid people who make mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and it’s not just with Reddit users. You do the same thing with drug addicts, domestic abusers, rapists – I even saw you do it for a child killer here on Lemmy – and you can’t see how fucked up what you’re doing is.
We live in a nation of laws, expectations and responsibilities and that means no matter what your excuse is, there are still things you are not supposed to be doing regardless, and when you do them you need to be held accountable for that.
We can’t have a functional community if we don’t.
It means even for self-destructive shit like staying on corporate platforms, you say something. You don’t have to be aggressive or demanding about it; a simple “Are you sure that’s a good idea?” “You sure? You can come on Lemmy/Kbin/wherever if you change your mind. Be careful” is enough.
You just don’t like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that’s too bad, it’s the truth. We can’t all be perfect, but responsibility doesn’t ask for people to be perfect, its demands are far more basic than that, and you don’t want people to even be held to that.
You just don’t like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that’s too bad
No, that’s not true. I just don’t think it should be as a hand-waving justification to tell someone to F off sucks to be you. That’s too much of a closed minded approach to the human race.
You’re really very sure of yourself of how the person you’re arguing against is thinking, and I have news for you, so far, you’ve been very wrong.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you’re approaching this.
You not liking to hear the truth doesn’t make it any less true, and you are not doing anyone any good by protecting them from the negative consequences of their actions – really you’re harming them and everyone else. Doing that is destructive and quite frankly abusive.
You’re far from the first person who thinks like this I’ve had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won’t be the last. The only thing that snaps people like you out of it is when whoever you’re protecting does something blatant and catastrophic, and even then sometimes you won’t because you have selfish, underhanded motives for protecting them. In your case, it’s likely because you still use some corporate websites and secretly feel offended when confronted with the fact that you’re hurting yourself by using their services.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you’re approaching this.
I’ve seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
You not liking to hear the truth
I strive for the truth of things. Only way to resolve conflict peacefully. You’ve been the one who has shifted the goalposts and attack the messenger, being intellectually dishonest in doing so.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
Its not enabling, its not expecting everything to be 100% black and white and only one solution to a problem. Human Beings are never that way.
You’re far from the first person who thinks like this I’ve had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won’t be the last.
Carry on Internet Warrior, may your battles all be glorious! (If that’s how you want to live your life, more power to you.)
I’ve seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
I’ve seen compassion used as an excuse to enable anything from childish, spoiled behavior to the most evil shit imaginable, from people like you who think you can just motte-and-bailey away the fact that you’re excusing evil. What about it? 🤷 You lack the compassion you demand from others because you’re not actually talking about or demanding compassion; you’re just trying to manipulate the emotions of everyone around you to save terrible people from consequences, denying them the chance to experience reality for what it is and learn from their mistakes, and abusing everyone else.
You ought to learn compassion for literally everyone else around you, and accept that not everyone has to feel compassion for everyone. Humans withhold compassion and empathy based on behavior and we do that so that we’re able to enforce rules and expectations in our communities, to protect the people we love and care about, to maintain boundaries. But you don’t care about that because all you care about is yourself.
Even the weird false dichotomy of simple vs. complex you paint – another terrible cliche from your camp – does this. A lot of things in life are that simple, and a situation being complex doesn’t change the fact that what someone’s doing is wrong and that they need to be held accountable for it. Accountability, responsibility and decency mean more than that.
There’s nothing complex about some idiot who keeps using Reddit despite the act being contrary to their best interest just like there’s nothing complex about some rapist raping others. Yet you use the same excuses with both. You’ve even done it in regards to child killers. I’ve seen your camp do it on Lemmy with my own two eyes.
What you’re trying to do is subtly imply that we cannot trust our own judgement or come to a conclusion you don’t want us to come to – that the remaining Reddit users are just idiots, in this case – and you’re not going to get what you want. They objectively are idiots and that’s a fact regardless of how anybody feels about it.
We’re not obligated to ignore facts because doing so inconveniences or threatens you.
I strive for the truth of things.
Its not enabling,
Stop lying.
Come back when you have some actual integrity. And stop defending stupid people.
I’ve seen compassion used as an excuse to enable anything from childish, spoiled behavior to the most evil shit imaginable, from people like you who think you can just motte-and-bailey away the fact that you’re excusing evil.
Again, you’re assuming facts not in evidence. You know nothing about me but you’re completely confident in judging me inadequate/wanting and knowing you’re 100% right in doing so, again, all without knowing me, a stranger across the Internet whom you have never met.
All I ever avocated for in this conversation was a variance, not an either/or. You’re the one who has been channeling your anger and life view into the conversation, and insisting on a “your way or the highway” approach (aka “F off, sucks to be you”), which from what I’ve seen makes me honestly worried about you, not that you’d care, because I’m using compassion to worry about you. You can’t be happy living like that long term.
At this point I don’t think its worth us discussing any more, we’ve come to an impasse. We’ll leave it at agree to disagree.
Take care of yourself, you are the only you there is.
No, I’m not. You would definitely know if I was making a demand, there would be no ambiguity involved.
And again, you’re avoiding the point I’m trying to make and just being argumentative.
I’m out of here, have a good day.
No, no, I’ve argued with enough of you over the years to know how you work. That’s a demand, alright, and a harmful one, not just for society as a whole but for stupid people who make mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and it’s not just with Reddit users. You do the same thing with drug addicts, domestic abusers, rapists – I even saw you do it for a child killer here on Lemmy – and you can’t see how fucked up what you’re doing is.
We live in a nation of laws, expectations and responsibilities and that means no matter what your excuse is, there are still things you are not supposed to be doing regardless, and when you do them you need to be held accountable for that.
We can’t have a functional community if we don’t.
It means even for self-destructive shit like staying on corporate platforms, you say something. You don’t have to be aggressive or demanding about it; a simple “Are you sure that’s a good idea?” “You sure? You can come on Lemmy/Kbin/wherever if you change your mind. Be careful” is enough.
You just don’t like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that’s too bad, it’s the truth. We can’t all be perfect, but responsibility doesn’t ask for people to be perfect, its demands are far more basic than that, and you don’t want people to even be held to that.
And that’s dangerous, and bad for society.
No, that’s not true. I just don’t think it should be as a hand-waving justification to tell someone to F off sucks to be you. That’s too much of a closed minded approach to the human race.
You’re really very sure of yourself of how the person you’re arguing against is thinking, and I have news for you, so far, you’ve been very wrong.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you’re approaching this.
You not liking to hear the truth doesn’t make it any less true, and you are not doing anyone any good by protecting them from the negative consequences of their actions – really you’re harming them and everyone else. Doing that is destructive and quite frankly abusive.
You’re far from the first person who thinks like this I’ve had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won’t be the last. The only thing that snaps people like you out of it is when whoever you’re protecting does something blatant and catastrophic, and even then sometimes you won’t because you have selfish, underhanded motives for protecting them. In your case, it’s likely because you still use some corporate websites and secretly feel offended when confronted with the fact that you’re hurting yourself by using their services.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
I’ve seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
I strive for the truth of things. Only way to resolve conflict peacefully. You’ve been the one who has shifted the goalposts and attack the messenger, being intellectually dishonest in doing so.
Its not enabling, its not expecting everything to be 100% black and white and only one solution to a problem. Human Beings are never that way.
Carry on Internet Warrior, may your battles all be glorious! (If that’s how you want to live your life, more power to you.)
I’ve seen compassion used as an excuse to enable anything from childish, spoiled behavior to the most evil shit imaginable, from people like you who think you can just motte-and-bailey away the fact that you’re excusing evil. What about it? 🤷 You lack the compassion you demand from others because you’re not actually talking about or demanding compassion; you’re just trying to manipulate the emotions of everyone around you to save terrible people from consequences, denying them the chance to experience reality for what it is and learn from their mistakes, and abusing everyone else.
You ought to learn compassion for literally everyone else around you, and accept that not everyone has to feel compassion for everyone. Humans withhold compassion and empathy based on behavior and we do that so that we’re able to enforce rules and expectations in our communities, to protect the people we love and care about, to maintain boundaries. But you don’t care about that because all you care about is yourself.
Even the weird false dichotomy of simple vs. complex you paint – another terrible cliche from your camp – does this. A lot of things in life are that simple, and a situation being complex doesn’t change the fact that what someone’s doing is wrong and that they need to be held accountable for it. Accountability, responsibility and decency mean more than that.
There’s nothing complex about some idiot who keeps using Reddit despite the act being contrary to their best interest just like there’s nothing complex about some rapist raping others. Yet you use the same excuses with both. You’ve even done it in regards to child killers. I’ve seen your camp do it on Lemmy with my own two eyes.
What you’re trying to do is subtly imply that we cannot trust our own judgement or come to a conclusion you don’t want us to come to – that the remaining Reddit users are just idiots, in this case – and you’re not going to get what you want. They objectively are idiots and that’s a fact regardless of how anybody feels about it.
We’re not obligated to ignore facts because doing so inconveniences or threatens you.
Stop lying.
Come back when you have some actual integrity. And stop defending stupid people.
Again, you’re assuming facts not in evidence. You know nothing about me but you’re completely confident in judging me inadequate/wanting and knowing you’re 100% right in doing so, again, all without knowing me, a stranger across the Internet whom you have never met.
All I ever avocated for in this conversation was a variance, not an either/or. You’re the one who has been channeling your anger and life view into the conversation, and insisting on a “your way or the highway” approach (aka “F off, sucks to be you”), which from what I’ve seen makes me honestly worried about you, not that you’d care, because I’m using compassion to worry about you. You can’t be happy living like that long term.
At this point I don’t think its worth us discussing any more, we’ve come to an impasse. We’ll leave it at agree to disagree.
Take care of yourself, you are the only you there is.