• Dive@lemmy.world
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    this poll queried 900 voters. 900 people who are the type of people to respond to political polls

    for reference, almost 155 million people voted in 2020

    so this poll was conducted with less than 0.0006% of the voting population of 2020, and the group that responded is a particular (and biased) group. edit: for additional reference, biden received 7 million more votes than trump did in 2020, which is roughly 7,800 times more voters than were polled for this article.

    ignore this completely

    go fucking vote

    in fact tell the next 10 people you talk to to vote as well

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      Your whole post is a lengthy way of saying you don’t understand how sample sizes function.

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        thanks for being condescending, but i do understand how sample sizes work. i also know how selection and self-selection biases work.

        but by all means, feel free to let me know what meaningful conclusions we should take from this poll.

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          If you did understand how sample sizes function then your comment regarding the size makes no sense.

          It’s not abnormal to think small samples sizes can’t work but if you take the time to look into it you should understand. It isn’t as if we teach anything about polling outside of social sciences or statistics classes.

          The fact is you made a lengthy comment propounding on an incorrect premise.

          What you should conclude is that in this specific poll the results were as stated. It means nothing by itself.

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          But under what factual basis are you discarding a 900 person sample size?

          I dont remember polls insisting Clinton would win, I remember dumb people saying thats what polls said, and your source makes me not feel shifted in that opinion.

          A 3% margin on a poll in no way is declaring total victory to anybody.

          Many of the polls you just shared have a 1% difference in support rate.

          So you think a 1% better polling rate is " declared total victory for Clinton" but feel confident in discarding a 900 person sample?

          If there was 10k people in the polls ypu are referencing, you are using 900 people as proof of absolute victory lol.

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            i dont know what point of mine youre arguing against

            i dont trust political polls in general, and as far as political polls go this one is on the lower end. all i did was make comparisons to other (larger) polls that did not manage to capture the true distribution of voter intent

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              I suspect your ignorance of how samples sizes work is the root if why you don’t trust polling. You can easily learn that in an hour or so if you care to fix it.

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                Speaking for myself, the reason I don’t trust polls is because of how wrong they all were in 2016. Your response is rude and condescending and not at all appropriate. You’re the asshole here, but it’ll probably take you more than an hour or so to fix that.

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                  Their entire premise is flawed from the start and if they are adult enough to be discussing polling they likely can take a mild jab. Im not calling them stupid I’m saying they do not understand something that isn’t part of the general education.

                  At no point have I addressed you personally let alone with any degree of incivility so how dare you take that tone with me. You are the worst sort of hypocrite if you aren’t just a sockpuppet for the other guy.

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              Did you seriously make claims about poll data without checking your source?

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                  I just want to chime in and say I don’t disagree with you. Your tone wasn’t dismissive or condescending at all and the disparaging comments replying to you are pretty rude.

                  I’ve only been around Lemmy a short time so my sample size is quite small too, but I’ve seen a lot of rude condescending pricks around here so far. There’s all these threads talk about a great lemmy is and how much better than Reddit it is but I’m just seeing a bunch of assholes so far tbh. That doesn’t have anything to do with this post or thread, just venting.

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                  Try reading the link you shared and reading your comment bright guy.

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                    Why are you so aggressive and condescending? Bring it in will you, you’re making lemmy a toxic shithole like Reddit and this community is like five seconds old.