Greta Thunberg, in a video posted on social media, said she and other members of the Freedom flotilla en-route to Gaza have been kidnapped by Israeli forces. This comes after the Daily Mail reported that several Israeli vessels surrounded the ship Madleen, prompting the crew to raise an alarm.
Thunberg shared a pre-recorded video appealing for international help. “My name is Greta Thunberg, and I am from Sweden,” she said in the clip. “If you see this video, we are being intercepted and kidnapped in international waters by the Israeli occupational forces, or forces that support Israel. I urge all my friends, family and comrades to put pressure on the Swedish government to release me and the others as soon as possible.”
Isn’t boarding and taking over a ship in international waters piracy?
Do either Israel or it’s enablers care?
For private citizens yes.
If a nations official forces do it. It is an act of war.
Curious to see how the EU and other European countries will respond. One of the people on board is a EU PM.
Besides Greta the boat had people from many other European countries such as France, Spain, Germany and the Netherlands. There are also a Turk and a Brazilian on board.
I really hope the people on board are safe. They don’t deserve this.
They will respond politically. And that is all.
The history means every nation in Europe is split to hell on this subject. So what ever action any specific gov takes. Will be the end of that gov. So no gov will have the courage to challenge with anything but diplomacy.
Empty strong condemnations
When Israel does it “it has a right to protect itself” from unarmed civilians bringing food.
Yep
yes, and an act of war.
Israel would claim that the flotilla was providing material assistance to a military enemy, and were a legitimate target
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Why is everyone so hands off and permissive with Israel? Like they can do nothing wrong when they go out of their way to do wrong things?
Israel has a huge lobby in most Western countries. And Epstein material on their politicians.
And Epstein material on their politicians.
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It does but the lobby wouldn’t be allowed to exist if Isntreal weren’t a useful tool for the US-aligned empire. The lobby is a how, not a why.
I don’t think Epstein dirt is that powerful. We live in a post-truth time. Powerful men have been getting away withremoved kids for a long time, see Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin for a less political example.
So why doesn’t Trump pick up the phone and tell Netanyahu to stop the genocide?
Because that’s not in the US empire’s interests
… How is this in their interest?
https://hexbear.net/comment/6223363
Isntreal is a military base masquerading as a country.
So explain why Biden and Trump don’t tell Israel to stop the genocide instead of destroying the entire ‘rules based order’.
For Germany: Israel is an indulgence for the Holocaust.
For the USA: Israel is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a largely hostile region that is protected by international law.
For the rest of Western Europe: They are vassals of the US, so naturally they don’t want to piss of their daddy.
For everyone else: they don’t want to provoke the US either.
Don’t forget that the rest of Europe benefits from the imperialist projection in the same ways as the US does.
That should go without saying.
It should but people love giving Europe a pass whenever they can for some reason.
Literally this. This should never be left unsaid, actually it should be underscored.
This makes the most sense.
manufactured consent and capitalist profit. it’s a cult.
Western Kabuki
Western countries never face any consequences for their atrocities.
it should be fairly obvious to everyone by now. Israel is an extension of the US, their unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle east, or as Biden put it “if israel didn’t exists, we would have to invent it to protect our interests in the region.”
also it’s fairly obvious that the “rules based order” is nothing more than a “might makes right order” enforced by the US.
Israel has hit bourgeois internationalism with a sledgehammer, it’s actually interesting to see. Even in the war of Ukraine, the libs using that as an argument to oppose Russia with, have basically dropped that talking point in late 2023.
Biden is the top AIPAC recipient.
The aircraft carrier story is nothing more than a cheap excuse. The real reason US politicians support Israel is because of the AIPAC lobby bribing them and the Epstein tapes they are on.
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Reason: Anti-semitic conspiracy theory that Israel is in charge of the US and not the other way aroundYou really need to let this go. US imperialism is not a “cheap excuse,” nor are Christian Zionists. Every time you dismiss the hegemonic US’ agency and falsely lay all the blame on Israel, you’re feeding into antisemitic tropes.
It’s simultaneously:
- The broader U.S. imperial apparatus (e.g., the State Department) understands Israel’s importance for the U.S. and backs it for that reason
- All sorts of minor U.S. politicians who don’t really influence foreign policy face a major hurdle from AIPAC if they don’t sufficiently support Israel
The U.S. is predominantly running the show, but Israel has agency too, and its state policy involves filtering out U.S. politicians who might oppose its interests as early as possible. This includes a massive amount of pro-Israel propaganda intended for mainstream consumption, harassing professors at colleges, etc.
Nope. If anything people should have been completely convinced by now that I am right over the past 20 months. The ‘aircraft carrier’ is the cheap excuse from the same guy who destroyed the US global reputation so Israel can do genocide.
Are we watching the US and Europe destroying their entire reputation so Israel can do a genocide or not? Nobody can explain this away with convenience factor. This genocide is in no way beneficial to the empire.
Christian Zionists such as Genocide Joe are indeed also a reason this is happening, but they too do not support Israel for any pragmatic cause which would benefit the empire such as being an aircraft carrier.
Countries such as Egypt, UAE and Saudi are infinitely more obedient than Israel which does things like the USS liberty and selling American secrets to Russia.
There are hundreds of explanations, from crushing armed resistance to prevent other movements from arising, to showing military might so other nations don’t get any ideas, to being a bandaid to the property crisis in the West, to further increase MIC sales, to just being a blunder, etc…
The American hegemony runs on soft power and American exceptionalism. Showing other nations that they can… starve women and children in a concentration camp… is not what I would call a “great showing of might”.
Even the MIC sales in Gaza are not that huge. Ukraine is making the MIC tonnes more money while the Western hegemony fully believes it is doing the right thing.
Gaza is the dumbest and least significant hill to die on for the empire. But it dead set to die on it.
US hegemony runs of military might and financial might, not soft power ffs. There is a reason to the thousands of US military bases all around the world yk.
This genocide is in no way beneficial to the empire.
They want the Gaza Marine Gas field. They don’t want the financial risk of the Palestinian people attacking the facilities and transportation.
Then they would have cleansed all the Palestinians into Egypt at the start.
There is nothing worse for the reputation of Israel and the West than getting these types of headlines every single day because they had to be literal cartoon villains and shoot 30 Palestinians trying to find food at an aid point.
If this ends with the ethnic cleansing of Gaza, which it might, doing it at day 600 instead of day 30 makes absolutely no sense.
It is not the negative news, but the repetition of negative news which sticks in people’s heads.
Biden pushed for the mass displacement option early on, but Egypt, Jordan and other regional actors refused, just like they have so far under Trump.
Nah this is not the hill you should be dying on. This is literally ahistorical non materialist analysis with a dose of antisemitism.
Where do you think the Israel lobby gets its funding lmao.
Old colonial power just became neo colonial powers.
Because if you criticise you’re called “Anti Semitic”
BS. Those countries doesn’t care about being labeled antisemite they are racist toward palestinians
We just need to help god make the book of revelations happen so Jesus can come back!
/s
Do you mean governments or people?
People don’t have much power here. Other than boycotts, what can people do?
For governments, Israel is fairly powerful. They have powerful lobbyists, and aren’t shy to leverage claims of antisemitism against anybody who speaks up against Israel. In many cases, there’s also the guilt over how jews were treated in WWII. This is one reason Germany is so incredibly pro-Israel. Then there’s the fact that Israel is still more-or-less a democracy, which makes it unique in the middle east. It’s the one country in the region pushing back against various Islamic fundamentalist goverments, movements and terrorist groups. Many countries don’t want to lose that “friend”.
And then there’s spyware. Most of the best spyware in the world is produced in Israel. Some cynical people would say that countries don’t want to lose access to the world’s best producer of spyware. Some even more cynical people would say that that spyware has already been used on politicians and Israel is using it for blackmail. Who knows what the right level of cynicism is.
Don’t forget that Epstein was linked to Israel Military intelligence, so there is that…
there’s also the guilt over how jews were treated in WWII.
How many are still alive? That excuse has long expired.
the region pushing back against various Islamic fundamentalist goverments
You can thank the CIA for that.
How many are still alive? That excuse has long expired.
It’s not individual guilt, it’s institutional guilt. In many other cases that’s a good thing. We want German kids to grow up learning about the holocaust and thinking “we can’t allow that to ever happen again”. I don’t think what’s happening in Gaza could happen in Germany because of what Germans are taught growing up.
OTOH, in Israel they seem to only be taught that jews are victims and can never be perpetrators.
You can thank the CIA for that.
Yeah, they were involved. They were saving the world from the dangers of communism. Looking back, all the west really had to do was sit back and wait for the communist system to collapse. But, I wonder what the middle east would look like without the CIA’s interference. It sure seems unlikely it would be a land of healthy, stable democracies. Look at all the places where the CIA didn’t interfere. Countries ruled by strongmen is the rule rather than the exception.
But, however we got here, that has been Israel’s traditional role. It was a democratic country with somewhat similar values to the west, nestled among Islamic Arab countries with very different values.
We want German kids to grow up learning about the holocaust and thinking “we can’t allow that to ever happen again”.
I think they kind of overdid it 'cos know they activelly defend nazis…
Greed.
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please i beg you to stop making the US seem as the victim when they’re the top dog.
This is a complete inversion of the relationship and a very loud antisemitic dog whistle
While their statement is a hyperbolic and reductive statement about only the other side of the symbiotic relationship, we must also not strip Israel of its agency. Also, Israel≠Jews, as much as Israel tries to convince you they are the same.
In the macro scale. Yes, Israel is propped up by the west as a powerful tool against other regional powers and the imperial system funnels funds into their upkeep.
But it’s also true that in the micro scale. Politicians are more directly and personally rewarded to keep those funds flowing (AIPAC exists regardless of tropes) and Israel uses the leverage they have as one of the more valuable strategic tools to grant them leeway others wouldn’t have.
It’s a two way street. Israel and The US/west aren’t parasites leeching off one or the other, they’re symbiotic.
Sure, there’s a two-way relationship, but the US is the global hegemon (or at least was until very recently), while Israel is a regional power. They may both influence each other, but the US has more say in the relationship.
great job hiding the “jews control everything” slander.
Replace jew/Israel with zionist if it helps you. It’s more accurate anyway.
Do you like having a job and a place to live? That’s why.
All they had to do was wait until the boat entered Israeli waters to do it legally. Why do it in international waters? Israelis seem to want to break laws just for the sake of showing they dont consider any laws to matter. In some ways they are worse than nazis. They are like perpetually angry butthurt toddlers with weapons.
At no point would the boat enter Israeli waters. Only Palestinian waters.
The illegal Israeli sea blockade is illegal for reason: it is not their water.
They want to make a point that they don’t care about international law
And that they will most likely suffer no consequences from it
Was gonna say, they’ve not been given any reason to care about international law.
Although, I swear I saw that the ICC put out a warrant for Bibi.
So what? Not all nations care.
Like the UN: nice, noble… toothless.
You may be right. The whole world is on the brink ,deciding if we will move forward as a global “rule of law” or a global “might makes right” future.
We have always lived under “might makes right”. Ask any country that has been under the boot of western imperialism.
This is just the collapse of the charade of “rule of law” as the stranglehold of the western might begins to slip.
this country is run and heavily populated with most vile criminals ever to exist
when contemplating about what they are capable of, then think of them as the most disgusting mexican drug cartel not a country of law and human decency.
that seems like an unnecessary maligning of mexican drug cartels.
They know that the whole west and arab countries will do nada
there’s no “legally” what, they enter Gaza territoral waters, only gaza has authority to regulate it’s territorial waters.
Israel has no right to control Gaza’s waters.
why would they care about breaking laws at this point?
Bibi is already wanted by the ICC so why stop now?
Thunberg and crew are heroes in my eyes. No doubt a very extreme form of political protest, obviously they knew the outcome here. Even they couldn’t predict blatant piracy. Hope she is returned safely…
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Yeap, she knew exactly what danger she was going into, and did it anyway. That is bravery.
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The Israelis regularly murder journalists and civilians. The danger was quite real.
I don’t put torture and murder past the Isreal government.
Things they constantly do and did
The past boat was attacked by drones
Good catch, I could not predict it*. They are smarter than I am. I’m amazed it was in open waters. They might as well have sent a team to abduct her in her home.
There was the chance they’d just get shot down.
I guess israel still gives some credit to international opinion and deemed the rich white brat a relevant human better kept alive.
“The tiny amount of aid that was on the yacht and not consumed by the ‘celebrities’ will be transferred to Gaza through real humanitarian channels,” the ministry added.
They will toss the aid to the wood chipper and laugh about it, won’t they…
Quite a thing to create the world’s most dire need for humanitarian aid in the history of the species and then criticize any aid as tiny in comparison to the need you’ve manufactured
Facts.
Nah they’ll actually dangle the food in front of starving people to draw a crowd and then bomb them.
Fucking monsters.
It’s not a war crime, it was a warning bomb.
Fucking genocidal assholes
Israel has a reputation for not even following through on these basic minute propaganda gestures. Because they are comically evil.
remember that time where they piled a bunch of boxes with a printout that said medical aid, then have soldiers move them into an hospital they evacuated, showing how weightless they are. and how useful will those empty boxes will be in the hospital they vacated
Nah, they will give it to their ISIS aligned collaborators and then shoot anyone/bomb anyone else who goes near it.
They will then destroy Hamas. Once Hamas is destroyed, they will demand that the new group be destroyed before the war can end. They will then fund a third group to distribute aid.
Israel has repeatedly shown that they will stop at nothing short of completely wiping out every last Palestinian.
of course not. they’ll use it to lure in more starving people to massacre
death to israel
Or just bomb anyone that tries to touch it
The sheer chutzpah of “Not only are we arresting you for trying to clean up our mess, but it’s not like you brought enough mops anyway.”
Real humanitarians who will deliver the aid via sniper bullets to the forehead.
tiny amount of aid
This is like someone with a micropenis criticizing the genitals of a kitten.
Thiago Ávila, a Brazilian activist, was also in that boat and was kidnapped by the Israeli state. That’s a crime against humanity.
they have been murdering activists, journalists, doctors, kids, women, pregnant women for decades. israel was founded by slaughtering entire villages and raping little girls to death.
you thinks these vicious scum care an iota about humanity ?
Also a French MEP afaik.
I don’t think kidnapped should be in " ", it’s an entirely literal act of piracy and terrorism
An act of war
Imagine the news treatment if North Korea did that. Israel is what white people think NK is. Nothing they’ll ever do is too extreme for them to realize, though.
The media is complicit.
So, it’s not kidnapping?
Of course idf kidnaps a kid
She’s 22.
That explains why they didn’t just shoot on site
Daaaayumn
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I just want to point out that Greta Thunberg is 22 years old. She’s been an adult for 4 years now
How time flies when you’re
having funworried if the world will still exist tomorrow
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Like Israel did to Palestine in 1948?
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Yes it started when foreigners illegally migrated to palestine and forced a state on local people and even comited act of terrorism against british and civil servant british
What’s your point? I thought we were just listing useless dates
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I thought it started on October 7.
Do you have the same concern for the thousands of children being held indefinitely in prisons by Israel? Why don’t those hostages deserve release?
#BringThemHome
Good thing Sweden isn’t Israel or else they’d have bombed their hospitals already.
Israel has decided to grab the attention of some of the people who weren’t already outraged. It’s a bold more. I hope it works out the way I think it will.
How do you think it will? Honest question
I think there are people who support Greta who haven’t taken a side on the Israel / Palestine genocide. My hope is that their grabbing her will turn more people against their horrid actions in Gaza.
She was no dummy. But was always going to die this way.
(I only assume she is dead.)
I can understand where the fear that she’ll be killed comes from, but I really don’t think that’s what will happen. She’s too high profile, and her and the others know it. That’s what’s part of what makes this such a bold move. They were basically daring Israel to do something about it. There is a legitimate chance of harm coming to them, but I really expect they’ll just be released in a few days.
Yeah I admire Greta, but anyone who’s been paying attention had to know this would eventually happen.
Punch enough knife-tips and you’ll get cut. Greta wouldn’t shut up and wouldn’t sell out, now she’s going to die a lot.
Why the fuck did she even go there? Did she think she would make a difference? She would be better off trying to become a military officer, and prepare defenses against future Israel invasion.
She’s pitting the swedish embassy against the israeli government. If more people did it there would be one less genocide.
Or she could be using her celebrity to draw attention to something going on in the world that doesn’t have enough attention shined on it maybe?
People KNOW! They are just racist and don’t care about the victims in Gaza.
We need another approach. The world no longer cares how many bodies it pilles
Like what?
Independence, sovereignty, just making it as hard as possible to kill and oppress.
Overall, never play by their rules. You will never get anything done by begging the psychopaths in charge to stop hurting you. Telling them how much you are suffering, only spurs them on. You can’t count on democracy or the goodness of people either. There is no law and order.
Gaza is probably doomed. You have to prepare yourself to defend your own life.
Independence, sovereignty, just making it as hard as possible to kill and oppress.
That’s not within the average joe and activists power to do
1 - She want too
2 - Israel has no right to arrest people in a ship in international water
There’s better ways to kill yourself than being in the hands of Israel. It’s such a cruel fate for someone like her.
She would have been more useful elsewhere too.
Dying for a great cause. That’s the best way to die
War in Ukraine? I mean, if you are going to die either way, might as well die fighting THE enemy, part of the ones that are behind nearly everything bad happening in the world, just so happen to be in a war you can join. Oh how perfect…and they are losing!
if you are going to die either way, might as well die fighting THE enemy, part of the ones that are behind nearly everything bad happening in the world
Those behind nearly everything bad happening in the world is the United Snake in the last half century . Not to whitewash Russian and China evilness in history
Dying for Ukraine or for Palestine or any other occupied land is a noble death that require lot of courage
It’s all the same ideology, same types of rich people, and the petroindustry. Every time I hear abut a pipeline burn, I am very happy.
So, she just chose one of two most cruel conflicts. Arguably, Palestinians face an even worse fate, with an extensive humanitarian crisis, than even the Ukrainians.
Why do you specifically choose Ukraine over Palestine?
She will suffer less.
Never heard of activism, have you.
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They abducted her in international waters. Don’t try to legitimize that. They stopped her on the basis of trafficking weapons to Hamas. Israel and Egypt acknowledge that stopping humanitarian aid in international waters is a violation of their treaty, and yet Israel did it anyways.
If you try to rationalize this type of behavior, what else do you rationalize?
You should look into the atrocities that have been committed at Israel/Us “aid” checkpoints, specifically the massacre of innocent, starving people.
Don’t engage with them. They rely on attention to spread their shitty propaganda. Downvote, block and move on.
Any opportunity to share facts is an opportunity worth taking. FACTS are irrefutable. Not gonna let the bots piss all over my playground.
Isreal just saved her life from isreal?
Saved her life from what?
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Did Hamas rape hospital directors to death or did Israel do that.
Both do and did boss, shitty point.
Source on Hamas doing that?
Raping? Really? It’s a war it’s literally the thing we’ve been doing since the beginning of time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_October_7_attacks
Again, it’s a war we likely won’t know the full extent of anything really but to take the basic assumption that any combatant force doesn’t have rapists would be both contrary to history and basic statistics.
That was debunked over a year ago by The Intercept (among others):
- 2024-01-28: New York Times Puts “Daily” Episode on Ice Amid Internal Firestorm Over Hamas Sexual Violence Article
- 2024-02-28: “Between the Hammer and the Anvil”: The Story Behind the New York Times October 7 Exposé
- 2024-03-04: Kibbutz Be’eri Rejects Story in New York Times October 7 Exposé: “They Were Not Sexually Abused”
- 2024-04-18: New York Times Brass Moves to Staunch Leaks Over Gaza Coverage
You said did and do. Source?
Na just tired of stupid discussions on internet, you win, bye
