• prole@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    I think you have it backwards. Bibi is the reason Hamas is in power.

    Maybe there’s some truth to it the way you said it, but this is literally objective reality. He directly supported Hamas.

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      11 months ago

      There wouldn’t even be a Bibi without them. He would have lost, and Perez would have moved forward with two states and Arafat (who Hamas would have also had a harder time removing).

      The bottom line is I think we can agree they’re bedfellows, yeah? Hamas has been trying to make this conflict happen their entire existence. They want maximum Palestian casualties in the hopes of expanding the war to more nations than just their allies like Quatar, Iran, and the Houthis.

      Never look to me to defend Bibi and the Likud. Many war criminals there I’d like to see taken to the Hague.

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        11 months ago

        Hamas has been trying to make this conflict happen their entire existence

        Hamas wouldn’t exist without the atrocities of Israel and the IOF – Hamas was created afterwards (long afterwards)

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          11 months ago

          Which atrocities specifically created Hamas?

          Was it the multplie wars the Arab countries launched to destroy Israel, and since they failed, it was an atrocity?

          Was it when Rabin was trying hard for two states and Arafat walked away at Oslo?

          Or was it when Israel ceded control of territories back to the Palestinians and ended up having the Palestinian security forces firing on them in return?

          Or were they just rocket enthusiasts who loves lobbing rockets into Israel’s civilans, and decided to form a club?

          Was it around 48 when Muslim and Arab states stole the land and kicked out over 800,000 Jews?

          Definitely, Arafat ignoring Perez’s plea to crack down on Hamas helped them grow and ultimately get rid of him. OH, IRONY!

          Was it thr suicide bombings and bus bombings campaign right before the election that Pereze was leading in, and after the bombings Bibi won by less than half a percent?

          Or was it when two states were going to happen, and Hamas vowed never to split Jerusalem and worked to destroy 2 states for religious reasons?

          But I’m willing to learn, enlighten me.

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            11 months ago

            There it is. Showing your true colors. Pretending to be “open minded” about the subject, or have any interest whatsoever in an honest dialogue.

            No sane person with an ounce of critical thinking ability, would read that comment and believe at face value that this is 100% the full story. Everything was unprovoked. Right.