Two: Instead of demanding we change the way we feel about them, how about instead you either hold them accountable for their inaction, which is the only thing that will ultimately help them, or let them do what they’ll do and move on, respecting the choice they made as human beings?
Everyone on the Internet has the capability to move to another website. They’re adults, not invalids, and I daresay you need to stop talking about compassion when you clearly have no clue of what respect is.
Well, yeah. You’re making a demand. You’ll quibble about the semantics just so you can deny it, but people like you do this every single time anyone does something they’re not supposed to be doing and I am tired of it.
We cannot have a functional society if we do what you are telling us to. Adults are responsible for their actions and we, as a community, have a responsibility to establish standards and expectations upon our people and enforce them. In this case, with us shaking our heads at them, withholding sympathy and compassion for them, and reminding ourselves and each other that we’ll suffer just like they do if we do the same stupid shit they’re doing.
It’s what reasonable adults do and you’re not going to convince us to stop being reasonable adults.
If they’re not capable of making good decisions for themselves like you want us to believe, then they don’t belong on the Internet.
But we don’t treat people like invalids because as adults we respect the intelligence of other people. You need to learn to do the same.
No, no, I’ve argued with enough of you over the years to know how you work. That’s a demand, alright, and a harmful one, not just for society as a whole but for stupid people who make mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and it’s not just with Reddit users. You do the same thing with drug addicts, domestic abusers, rapists – I even saw you do it for a child killer here on Lemmy – and you can’t see how fucked up what you’re doing is.
We live in a nation of laws, expectations and responsibilities and that means no matter what your excuse is, there are still things you are not supposed to be doing regardless, and when you do them you need to be held accountable for that.
We can’t have a functional community if we don’t.
It means even for self-destructive shit like staying on corporate platforms, you say something. You don’t have to be aggressive or demanding about it; a simple “Are you sure that’s a good idea?” “You sure? You can come on Lemmy/Kbin/wherever if you change your mind. Be careful” is enough.
You just don’t like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that’s too bad, it’s the truth. We can’t all be perfect, but responsibility doesn’t ask for people to be perfect, its demands are far more basic than that, and you don’t want people to even be held to that.
You just don’t like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that’s too bad
No, that’s not true. I just don’t think it should be as a hand-waving justification to tell someone to F off sucks to be you. That’s too much of a closed minded approach to the human race.
You’re really very sure of yourself of how the person you’re arguing against is thinking, and I have news for you, so far, you’ve been very wrong.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you’re approaching this.
You not liking to hear the truth doesn’t make it any less true, and you are not doing anyone any good by protecting them from the negative consequences of their actions – really you’re harming them and everyone else. Doing that is destructive and quite frankly abusive.
You’re far from the first person who thinks like this I’ve had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won’t be the last. The only thing that snaps people like you out of it is when whoever you’re protecting does something blatant and catastrophic, and even then sometimes you won’t because you have selfish, underhanded motives for protecting them. In your case, it’s likely because you still use some corporate websites and secretly feel offended when confronted with the fact that you’re hurting yourself by using their services.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you’re approaching this.
I’ve seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
You not liking to hear the truth
I strive for the truth of things. Only way to resolve conflict peacefully. You’ve been the one who has shifted the goalposts and attack the messenger, being intellectually dishonest in doing so.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
Its not enabling, its not expecting everything to be 100% black and white and only one solution to a problem. Human Beings are never that way.
You’re far from the first person who thinks like this I’ve had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won’t be the last.
Carry on Internet Warrior, may your battles all be glorious! (If that’s how you want to live your life, more power to you.)
I’ve seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
I’ve seen compassion used as an excuse to enable anything from childish, spoiled behavior to the most evil shit imaginable, from people like you who think you can just motte-and-bailey away the fact that you’re excusing evil. What about it? 🤷 You lack the compassion you demand from others because you’re not actually talking about or demanding compassion; you’re just trying to manipulate the emotions of everyone around you to save terrible people from consequences, denying them the chance to experience reality for what it is and learn from their mistakes, and abusing everyone else.
You ought to learn compassion for literally everyone else around you, and accept that not everyone has to feel compassion for everyone. Humans withhold compassion and empathy based on behavior and we do that so that we’re able to enforce rules and expectations in our communities, to protect the people we love and care about, to maintain boundaries. But you don’t care about that because all you care about is yourself.
Even the weird false dichotomy of simple vs. complex you paint – another terrible cliche from your camp – does this. A lot of things in life are that simple, and a situation being complex doesn’t change the fact that what someone’s doing is wrong and that they need to be held accountable for it. Accountability, responsibility and decency mean more than that.
There’s nothing complex about some idiot who keeps using Reddit despite the act being contrary to their best interest just like there’s nothing complex about some rapist raping others. Yet you use the same excuses with both. You’ve even done it in regards to child killers. I’ve seen your camp do it on Lemmy with my own two eyes.
What you’re trying to do is subtly imply that we cannot trust our own judgement or come to a conclusion you don’t want us to come to – that the remaining Reddit users are just idiots, in this case – and you’re not going to get what you want. They objectively are idiots and that’s a fact regardless of how anybody feels about it.
We’re not obligated to ignore facts because doing so inconveniences or threatens you.
I strive for the truth of things.
Its not enabling,
Stop lying.
Come back when you have some actual integrity. And stop defending stupid people.
One, motte and bailey.
Two: Instead of demanding we change the way we feel about them, how about instead you either hold them accountable for their inaction, which is the only thing that will ultimately help them, or let them do what they’ll do and move on, respecting the choice they made as human beings?
Everyone on the Internet has the capability to move to another website. They’re adults, not invalids, and I daresay you need to stop talking about compassion when you clearly have no clue of what respect is.
Giving advice and demanding something is two very different things.
If you want to be argumentative just for argumentative sake, just say so and I’ll leave the conversation.
Tech wise, sure. Socially/emotionally, some yes, some no. Which is the basic point I keep trying to make, and you keep ignoring.
Well, yeah. You’re making a demand. You’ll quibble about the semantics just so you can deny it, but people like you do this every single time anyone does something they’re not supposed to be doing and I am tired of it.
We cannot have a functional society if we do what you are telling us to. Adults are responsible for their actions and we, as a community, have a responsibility to establish standards and expectations upon our people and enforce them. In this case, with us shaking our heads at them, withholding sympathy and compassion for them, and reminding ourselves and each other that we’ll suffer just like they do if we do the same stupid shit they’re doing.
It’s what reasonable adults do and you’re not going to convince us to stop being reasonable adults.
If they’re not capable of making good decisions for themselves like you want us to believe, then they don’t belong on the Internet.
But we don’t treat people like invalids because as adults we respect the intelligence of other people. You need to learn to do the same.
No, I’m not. You would definitely know if I was making a demand, there would be no ambiguity involved.
And again, you’re avoiding the point I’m trying to make and just being argumentative.
I’m out of here, have a good day.
No, no, I’ve argued with enough of you over the years to know how you work. That’s a demand, alright, and a harmful one, not just for society as a whole but for stupid people who make mind-numbingly stupid decisions, and it’s not just with Reddit users. You do the same thing with drug addicts, domestic abusers, rapists – I even saw you do it for a child killer here on Lemmy – and you can’t see how fucked up what you’re doing is.
We live in a nation of laws, expectations and responsibilities and that means no matter what your excuse is, there are still things you are not supposed to be doing regardless, and when you do them you need to be held accountable for that.
We can’t have a functional community if we don’t.
It means even for self-destructive shit like staying on corporate platforms, you say something. You don’t have to be aggressive or demanding about it; a simple “Are you sure that’s a good idea?” “You sure? You can come on Lemmy/Kbin/wherever if you change your mind. Be careful” is enough.
You just don’t like the idea that normal people hold a share of responsibility for our current situation and that’s too bad, it’s the truth. We can’t all be perfect, but responsibility doesn’t ask for people to be perfect, its demands are far more basic than that, and you don’t want people to even be held to that.
And that’s dangerous, and bad for society.
No, that’s not true. I just don’t think it should be as a hand-waving justification to tell someone to F off sucks to be you. That’s too much of a closed minded approach to the human race.
You’re really very sure of yourself of how the person you’re arguing against is thinking, and I have news for you, so far, you’ve been very wrong.
The fact that you think holding people accountable for their terrible choices is telling someone to F off tells us all we need to know about how you’re approaching this.
You not liking to hear the truth doesn’t make it any less true, and you are not doing anyone any good by protecting them from the negative consequences of their actions – really you’re harming them and everyone else. Doing that is destructive and quite frankly abusive.
You’re far from the first person who thinks like this I’ve had to deal with and you, unfortunately, won’t be the last. The only thing that snaps people like you out of it is when whoever you’re protecting does something blatant and catastrophic, and even then sometimes you won’t because you have selfish, underhanded motives for protecting them. In your case, it’s likely because you still use some corporate websites and secretly feel offended when confronted with the fact that you’re hurting yourself by using their services.
If telling you the truth is the equivalent of telling you to F off, as you put it, then you need to be told to F off before you enable even worse shit.
I’ve seen it used as an excuse my whole life, people without compassion just telling someone its 100% on you, when its never that simple, Life is never that simple.
I strive for the truth of things. Only way to resolve conflict peacefully. You’ve been the one who has shifted the goalposts and attack the messenger, being intellectually dishonest in doing so.
Its not enabling, its not expecting everything to be 100% black and white and only one solution to a problem. Human Beings are never that way.
Carry on Internet Warrior, may your battles all be glorious! (If that’s how you want to live your life, more power to you.)
I’ve seen compassion used as an excuse to enable anything from childish, spoiled behavior to the most evil shit imaginable, from people like you who think you can just motte-and-bailey away the fact that you’re excusing evil. What about it? 🤷 You lack the compassion you demand from others because you’re not actually talking about or demanding compassion; you’re just trying to manipulate the emotions of everyone around you to save terrible people from consequences, denying them the chance to experience reality for what it is and learn from their mistakes, and abusing everyone else.
You ought to learn compassion for literally everyone else around you, and accept that not everyone has to feel compassion for everyone. Humans withhold compassion and empathy based on behavior and we do that so that we’re able to enforce rules and expectations in our communities, to protect the people we love and care about, to maintain boundaries. But you don’t care about that because all you care about is yourself.
Even the weird false dichotomy of simple vs. complex you paint – another terrible cliche from your camp – does this. A lot of things in life are that simple, and a situation being complex doesn’t change the fact that what someone’s doing is wrong and that they need to be held accountable for it. Accountability, responsibility and decency mean more than that.
There’s nothing complex about some idiot who keeps using Reddit despite the act being contrary to their best interest just like there’s nothing complex about some rapist raping others. Yet you use the same excuses with both. You’ve even done it in regards to child killers. I’ve seen your camp do it on Lemmy with my own two eyes.
What you’re trying to do is subtly imply that we cannot trust our own judgement or come to a conclusion you don’t want us to come to – that the remaining Reddit users are just idiots, in this case – and you’re not going to get what you want. They objectively are idiots and that’s a fact regardless of how anybody feels about it.
We’re not obligated to ignore facts because doing so inconveniences or threatens you.
Stop lying.
Come back when you have some actual integrity. And stop defending stupid people.