• iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    I love how one person cites a statistic, and another person just dismisses it as false because of their anecdotal experience.

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      This is how most people think and see the world, which is why we (the US) are in the boat we’re in now. People don’t see the big picture if they never have to or aren’t taught how to think critically.

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        I think it’s a complicated problem. To start with, the studies are usually paywalled. If you can afford to purchase access, you still need the capacity to understand and parse the formal academic language. Most people have neither of those requirements, and have to rely on the media to report the statistics accurately, which doesn’t happen.

        This leads to a situation where the media keeps trying to say, idk employment statistics are better than ever, and then everybody updates their mental blocklist to filter out the word ‘statistics’.

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          Not to mention most issues are extremely nuanced and complex, not something that can be accurately broken down into 5 second sound bits.

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        Almost as of by design of corporate overlords and billionaires. Almost as of billions of dollars and collective hate can’t fill the emptiness. Almost as if we should focus on healing everyone’s (including billionaires ')wounded inner child schisms and social divides may start healing. Maybe

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      My thoughts exactly. And how I love this complete dismissal style with the “False.” at the beginning, that has established itself online. it’s a perfect giveaway for " now my personal but universal opinion, also called Truth bomb, is going to destroy your statement" - which in my opinion is just extremely patronizing and never really true.

      Especially when comparing your personal anecdotal experience with a fucking statistic.

      Oh and nobody talks like that in real life, or at least the people that do start their verbal line of argument this way are idiots and everybody knows it.

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        I will forgive people who were previously had a low enough income to have benefits that magically disappeared completely at a certain threshold when they received a raise for assuming that making too much money could be a negative. They generally never made enough to understand how tax brackets work and assumed the worst.

        If it is explained to them and they refuse to learn, that is on them.

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          Yes, that is something that really sucks.

          Here in Ontario disability gets clawed back as soon as you stop making poverty wages, it’s disgusting.

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          I’m salary or contract, so working overtime is often just doing work without pay.

          I’ll do it every now and then to get things done, but I’m never going to make that my normal.

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      Cathy? If I see FirstNameBunchOfNumbers and a twitter checkmark my first assumption would be that its a bot.

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    I live in California, so there was a lot of bemoaning the rising minimum wage.

    “Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”

    Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.

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      Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.

      It’s my opinion that people like this aspire to be their own boss, make their own money, and look up to business owners as mentors.

      None of that is inherently wrong, until the mentors/business owners start espousing the evils of increased wages, how paying taxes is preventing pay raises for their workers, etc.

      So not knowing any better, these wannabes go out and parrot what they’ve heard their heroes say as if it’s gospel. And of course the talking heads that they listen to say the same shit, further solidifying the class warfare mentality.

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      Seattle metro area has the highest minimum wage in the country. The top 5 cities in the US are all in this metro. This is because when the wage increases were passed by city, they were tied to the inflation rate so that increases every year, so no new laws have to be passed year over year to get this increase. No arguing every year for a simple cost of living adjustment.

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      “Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”

      Because someone flipping burgers has more value to society than someone who spends their day making rich people richer.

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    “your statistic is false because I have an anecdote” is literally the entire basis of the conservative understanding of science.

    union workers don’t make more on average because I earn half a dollar more.

    global warming isn’t happening because I brought a snowball.

    vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.

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      vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.

      😂

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    This doesn’t even need to be in your contract. When union shops get a raise, non-union shops either have to compete, or lose their best labour.

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    This is what Swedish unions did even more directly. A company hired labour from Latvia I think it was. The union showed up and said that thats all fine, but you have to pay them properly. None of them were members. They picketed the company for the sake of non-members wages. Why? To avoid social dumping down the line.

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    How is it even legal to have explicitly preferential pay for people not in a union? Is there a limit to that, or can companies just say, “Anyone who joins a union will be paid minimum wage.” Ofc with at-will employment they can always just fire you, but like, if you think about it it’s pretty fucked up right?

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    Net income is a small factor. One should compare the total package because the unions are usually way ahead of the non-union.

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      My union gives me benefits that are included in my $30/month dues and I’m not even full time.

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      My company was spread across 3 unions. 1 and 2 got decent healthcare. 3 got a $1000 signing bonus. I hear they like pizza parties.

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    They make 1337? Are you sure it’s not $31337 because that would be elite.

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    We could’ve had Nina in DC if not for some corporate Dem’s wounded ego. It’s almost like we should work on healing egos instead of fracturing them with culture wars and id pol unless… That’s the point of culture wars and id pol. 🤷‍♀️ 💡

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    Fuckin Thomas Sowell. Unlearning Economics has many hours of content on why that guy is such a blight on economics and the world that are worth a watch