• pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz
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    But they can come to Lemmy or Mastodon for that. They’re not beholden to corporations but they refuse to leave.

    They’re like domestic violence victims. Why don’t they just leave?

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      You’re not wrong with the choices available, you just not fully considering the inertia factor to change, or to leave their old friends behind, especially if they do not move as well.

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        You mean the very same factors we easily dealt with when we came here?

        Nah, that’s all on them at this point, and any suffering they go through is suffering they bring upon themselves.

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          You mean the very same factors we easily dealt with when we came here?

          Again, not everyone is the same. Where one person may find easy to do another person may find nearly impossible to do.

          Life is not digital, it’s analog.

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            Then that’s a personality issue they need to resolve, or else they’ll be abused and exploited throughout their lives. And that’s 100% their responsibility as adults regardless of their issues or what they’re going through.

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              And that’s 100% their responsibility as adults regardless of their issues or what they’re going through.

              Nobody said it wasn’t, just explaining why they may not make the move.

              You could have some compassion for them though, instead of quoting the “sucks to be you, the rules are the rules” mindset.

              Not everyone is as capable as everyone else, and we should all strive for the win-win scenarios, makes Humanity a nicer place to live in.

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                You could have some compassion for them though,

                One, motte and bailey.

                Two: Instead of demanding we change the way we feel about them, how about instead you either hold them accountable for their inaction, which is the only thing that will ultimately help them, or let them do what they’ll do and move on, respecting the choice they made as human beings?

                Everyone on the Internet has the capability to move to another website. They’re adults, not invalids, and I daresay you need to stop talking about compassion when you clearly have no clue of what respect is.

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                  Instead of demanding we change the way we feel about them

                  Giving advice and demanding something is two very different things.

                  If you want to be argumentative just for argumentative sake, just say so and I’ll leave the conversation.

                  Everyone on the Internet has the capability to move to another website.

                  Tech wise, sure. Socially/emotionally, some yes, some no. Which is the basic point I keep trying to make, and you keep ignoring.

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                    Well, yeah. You’re making a demand. You’ll quibble about the semantics just so you can deny it, but people like you do this every single time anyone does something they’re not supposed to be doing and I am tired of it.

                    We cannot have a functional society if we do what you are telling us to. Adults are responsible for their actions and we, as a community, have a responsibility to establish standards and expectations upon our people and enforce them. In this case, with us shaking our heads at them, withholding sympathy and compassion for them, and reminding ourselves and each other that we’ll suffer just like they do if we do the same stupid shit they’re doing.

                    It’s what reasonable adults do and you’re not going to convince us to stop being reasonable adults.

                    If they’re not capable of making good decisions for themselves like you want us to believe, then they don’t belong on the Internet.

                    But we don’t treat people like invalids because as adults we respect the intelligence of other people. You need to learn to do the same.