As press secretary Karoline Leavitt says the quiet part out loud about Trump’s tariffs, a reporter who covers Trumpworld explains why his vile bullying of our allies should be taken a lot more seriously.
Not that any of this is sensible or reasonable, but… why? Why is there any obsession at all with adding Canada as a state? Where did this idea even come from and for what purpose?
Why is there any obsession at all with adding Canada as a state?
Because Trump is trying to do to Canada what Putin is doing to Ukraine. Why? Because taking over a major food supply source is where the money will be at (because global warming is slowing expanding the hot zones north and southwards).
Add to that Canada’s almost unlimited fresh water supply, lots of spare hydro electricity, a fair amount of rare earth minerals, a large oil source, and a huge portion of the Arctic region (that will soon be ice-free).
Yes. It’s not actually all blue water like it looks here. But there’s less and less, and Russia has ice breakers that can deal with a certain amount of ice. Arctic shipping routes are becoming more useful and valuable as the Arctic warms.
I’ve been hearing Americans “joke” about Canada becoming the 51st state all my life. The fact that there’s a country on the same land-mass as them, who’s people largely speak the same language as them and who has a similar culture to them but doesn’t want to be part of their country runs counter to the “Greatest Country in the World” propaganda that they’ve been indoctrinated with since childhood.
Most of the time, however, the politicians elected to high office are educated enough to know why annexing Canada would be a bad idea, but Trump’s mentality never evolved beyond the schoolyard, and those are the ideas that he’s bringing to the White House.
IDK, man. Indiana born and raised, and I’ve never in my life have I even heard about the notion or desire to have Canada merge with the US. It seemingly came out of nowhere and now a ton of idiots are acting like it’s genius and even an absolutely imperative now.
But other expanding the US’s land and people, and eliminating another sovereign state, what would even be different? Is the expansion the point itself, some weird compulsion to gain control of our neighbors? Or is there some other motivation? It’s probably oil isnt it… it’s always oil.
So this sounds like ignorant American exceptionalism. Stuff that fucking noise.
That is certainly not what I meant, nor is American Exceptionalism a sentiment I hold. I meant that we already enjoyed free trade between our countries before Trump. Already share resources back and forth. Already have closely related cultures and history. Already have military joint operations. Canada has been our closest ally for centuries. Becoming a state, then, doesn’t seem like it would make a ton of differences that the average US citizen would want or even see on the whole. I can see where a narcissist like Trump wants to bully people, take control, be a dictator, etc. But it would make as much direct difference to my life as losing Iowa to the Portuguese would. Obviously if you are in Canada (or Iowa) and suddenly belong to a new county, that will make a make huge difference to you. But if you’re a Tennessean tobacco farmer, why do you think it’s really important that Canada joins the US? They certainly seem to all of the sudden. That is what I meant by “what would even be different?”
The Republicans would immediately become unelectable, for starters, because you’d be adding a lot of population that skews much further left politically than any part of the US. And most of us would be extremely pissed off.
On our side, we’d be getting issues we really do not want with health care (and social services in general) and with gun control.
It would likely all end in guerilla warfare. Or worse. Overall, it’s a bad deal for both sides.
he did say that Canada would be annexed with no representation… so no worries about left shift… also think that whatever party would be in power that surrenders to POTUS47 would immediately become local unelectable pariah, considering polls currently it’d be Libs. So the pressure is rather to push for Cons… what they can’t comprehend is that Canada is not US and it creates some serious pusback
The US could not stop us from committing mass voter fraud. A large percentage of the Canadian population consists of English-speaking white people with accents that are pretty much the same as a large swathe of the United States—the group of people that receive the least scrutiny in most parts of the US. It’s unlikelly they would even be questioned when attempting to vote. (That’s also what makes potential guerilla warfare so messy.)
Well, yeah, they taught us the same concept in history class too. Obviously, American expansionism is not new. But I have never heard a single modern day person talk about America annexing sovereign countries until now. The closest thing was turning some of our territories like Puerto Rico into official states.
My presumption is that the goal is to establish one homogeneously plutocratic and oligarchic landmass, broken up only by the Bering Strait, running all the way from Florida to Eastern Europe.
Under the hypothesis that Russia influences Trump, the point is to drive a wedge between the USA and all other Western democracies, the same way it attempts to create conflict between factions within the USA and other democratic nations.
Not that any of this is sensible or reasonable, but… why? Why is there any obsession at all with adding Canada as a state? Where did this idea even come from and for what purpose?
Because Trump is trying to do to Canada what Putin is doing to Ukraine. Why? Because taking over a major food supply source is where the money will be at (because global warming is slowing expanding the hot zones north and southwards).
Add to that Canada’s almost unlimited fresh water supply, lots of spare hydro electricity, a fair amount of rare earth minerals, a large oil source, and a huge portion of the Arctic region (that will soon be ice-free).
I also wouldn’t be surprised if he just wanted to conquer an independent nation just for like chest-bumping, wanna-be strongman reasons.
This is more likely. These vast conspiracies like the one you replied to are giving him too much credit. The guys just not that well thought out.
Water, rare earth minerals, other natural resources, labor
And control of all this water, important strategically for Russia, I mean the USA. And Russia.
This one image really brings the whole situation into perspective.
Shhh! Don’t spoil Trump’s War On Christmas plan to drone strike Santa Claus!
Is… There still any ice in the Arctic?
Yes. It’s not actually all blue water like it looks here. But there’s less and less, and Russia has ice breakers that can deal with a certain amount of ice. Arctic shipping routes are becoming more useful and valuable as the Arctic warms.
Trump sees himself as an emperor. He wants to expand the empire and claim that as his legacy. Simple as that.
I’ve been hearing Americans “joke” about Canada becoming the 51st state all my life. The fact that there’s a country on the same land-mass as them, who’s people largely speak the same language as them and who has a similar culture to them but doesn’t want to be part of their country runs counter to the “Greatest Country in the World” propaganda that they’ve been indoctrinated with since childhood.
Most of the time, however, the politicians elected to high office are educated enough to know why annexing Canada would be a bad idea, but Trump’s mentality never evolved beyond the schoolyard, and those are the ideas that he’s bringing to the White House.
Yanks have always been upset we didn’t join them way back. That and they cannot let go of manifest destiny.
IDK, man. Indiana born and raised, and I’ve never in my life have I even heard about the notion or desire to have Canada merge with the US. It seemingly came out of nowhere and now a ton of idiots are acting like it’s genius and even an absolutely imperative now.
But other expanding the US’s land and people, and eliminating another sovereign state, what would even be different? Is the expansion the point itself, some weird compulsion to gain control of our neighbors? Or is there some other motivation? It’s probably oil isnt it… it’s always oil.
So this sounds like ignorant American exceptionalism. Stuff that fucking noise.
YOU may not have heard it (and I can’t link sources), but I have in modern media and from dipshits on the internet.
That is certainly not what I meant, nor is American Exceptionalism a sentiment I hold. I meant that we already enjoyed free trade between our countries before Trump. Already share resources back and forth. Already have closely related cultures and history. Already have military joint operations. Canada has been our closest ally for centuries. Becoming a state, then, doesn’t seem like it would make a ton of differences that the average US citizen would want or even see on the whole. I can see where a narcissist like Trump wants to bully people, take control, be a dictator, etc. But it would make as much direct difference to my life as losing Iowa to the Portuguese would. Obviously if you are in Canada (or Iowa) and suddenly belong to a new county, that will make a make huge difference to you. But if you’re a Tennessean tobacco farmer, why do you think it’s really important that Canada joins the US? They certainly seem to all of the sudden. That is what I meant by “what would even be different?”
He didn’t mean for Canadians but Americans.
The Republicans would immediately become unelectable, for starters, because you’d be adding a lot of population that skews much further left politically than any part of the US. And most of us would be extremely pissed off.
On our side, we’d be getting issues we really do not want with health care (and social services in general) and with gun control.
It would likely all end in guerilla warfare. Or worse. Overall, it’s a bad deal for both sides.
he did say that Canada would be annexed with no representation… so no worries about left shift… also think that whatever party would be in power that surrenders to POTUS47 would immediately become local unelectable pariah, considering polls currently it’d be Libs. So the pressure is rather to push for Cons… what they can’t comprehend is that Canada is not US and it creates some serious pusback
The US could not stop us from committing mass voter fraud. A large percentage of the Canadian population consists of English-speaking white people with accents that are pretty much the same as a large swathe of the United States—the group of people that receive the least scrutiny in most parts of the US. It’s unlikelly they would even be questioned when attempting to vote. (That’s also what makes potential guerilla warfare so messy.)
FWIW, I first heard about manifest destiny in history class at my Canadian elementary school.
Well, yeah, they taught us the same concept in history class too. Obviously, American expansionism is not new. But I have never heard a single modern day person talk about America annexing sovereign countries until now. The closest thing was turning some of our territories like Puerto Rico into official states.
My presumption is that the goal is to establish one homogeneously plutocratic and oligarchic landmass, broken up only by the Bering Strait, running all the way from Florida to Eastern Europe.
Under the hypothesis that Russia influences Trump, the point is to drive a wedge between the USA and all other Western democracies, the same way it attempts to create conflict between factions within the USA and other democratic nations.
O&G, water, lumber. You name it