Did everyone forget the texts to minors? Dude was a predator. He wasn’t dropped from the show just on the DV accusations but also the mountain of evidence that show he was a creep. https://wegotthiscovered.com/celebrities/justin-roiland-claims-embittered-ex-tried-to-have-him-canceled-but-fans-ask-what-about-those-alleged-creepy-messages-to-minors/
I personally think it was the wrong call to drop Roiland before his court case for domestic abuse was reviewed - innocent until proven guilty.
Remember how at the start of the Depp/Heard trial everyone labeled Depp a monster? Then in court, Heard revealed herself to be a liar.
However, the texts he sent to minors were disqualifying in their own right. As a form of risk mitigation, you can’t continue to employ the star of a show teens love, texting underage girls about how they should hurry up and turn eighteen.
Eh, “innocent until proven guilty” is a legal doctrine, not a business one. Sadly, popular tv shows are big business and negative publicity ruins that business, so the business overlords have to make a choice to soak the damage or mitigate it
I believe he actually wanted to leave. He’s a Co creator and will still win money from Rick and Morty. But not if people stop watching as protest or something like that. And at this point it’s all 100% an image issue and it doesn’t matter if he’s guilty or not. He knows his image is already fkd. Most of his “friends” and coworkers cut relations with him to protect themselves.
This is just speculation, but I assumed as a matter of respect, the R&M team would have given him a choice to step down or not. I don’t see a situation where keeping him on would be worth the hassle.
The Roiland DV case is very different from the depp/heard defamation case.
1: the Roiland case was about whether or not he was found to be committing DV. and it was inconclusive evidence. He might not be found guilty but he’s also not found innocent.
2: His accuser was not to be found guilty of perjury. the case was about finding evidence of DV. Not perjury of his accuser. the depp/heard case was explicitly about what heard gave to the media is what she was found guilty of.
3: Roiland and his accuser didn’t sign a non-disparagement claus. and his accuser didn’t then go talk to Washington post without any conclusive evidence on the outcome of the case. And probably a good thing roiland didn’t sign such a non-disparagement claus as he did post misinformation meant to publicly harm his accuser with that misleading Twitter post about what his case was actually about.
What’s most egregious is that Adult Swim are owned by WB and look how many chances they gave Ezra Miller and he still got to be The Flash. Roiland had one set of dropped charges and he got sacked.
oh no a voice actor the most pure and holy of prefessions how dare he be a criminal
send him to gulag, take away his right to vote, take away his citizenship
What the fuck are you talking about
Gonna give you a chace to clarify, but are you defending child predation???
no anyone who has ever commited a crime should be stripped of all rightz and sent to the gulag until they die forever
This conversation is specifically about child predation. Do you think child predation is okay? Do you think it’s comparable to just any crime? Honestly looking for your thoughts on this because your sarcasm isn’t doing it
no anyone who has ever commited a crime should be stripped of all rightz and sent to the gulag until they die forever
A straw man of the highest degree. No one is suggesting anything close to that. Tell me, what gulag is he residing in?
If you insist
Ah yes those are the two options: no consequences and prison forever without rights. Definitely no attempts at rehabilitation with some punishment
a yes losing the right to vote is a great rehabilitation
Did I say that I don’t support prisoner sufferage? I Support consequences but not necessarily the exact same ones my country insists on. I’ll go even further, I think carceral solutions should be treated as extreme.
Then Id be happy to tell you the Gulag hasnt existed since the 60’s, so you can stop making dumbass comments! :)
The Gulag is real, it’s real in our hearts.
It’s also in the free to play battle royale shooter Call of Duty: Warfare, available now.
You absolutely suck at sarcasm.
Calling it sarcasm is a poorly aimed compliment to assume they are so clever.
You even make shitposting look bad
You are everything that is wrong with the internet.
The number of people in this post that don’t understand the difference between a private company’s HR/PR decisions and the actual legal system is shocking.
A company can fire you for wearing a blue shirt that a customer didn’t like.
Americans have very, very few rights in the workplace regarding termination
Honestly the customer doesn’t even have to dislike the shirt. It’s incredible the lack of rights that Americans have in the workplace. Especially when we also have very weak safety nets in place for people who are out of work.
No one said they couldn’t fire roiland because it violates laws. They said he shouldn’t have been fired because of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. That’s separate from the law.
But the text messages to minors should be enough for anyone to want him fired.
What are you talking about? “Innocent until proven guilty” is only relevant from the perspective of the law.
The law isn’t the beginning and end of thought. The law was made because of the principle. It’s not fully encompassing of the principle.
Is there any good proof about the messages or is it just speculative. If it’s speculative, it’s not enough.
Plus firing somebody that then it results it was innocent all along could as be very bad PR. Not in this case since ethere other stuff…
in case anyone else was wondering, the answer to the replacement method is ‘soundalikes’
Good, I’m glad it’s not AI.
Not sure any AI could handle voicing the two main characters of a show (yet), but the ongoing strikes and all do have me worry for the future of the profession.
This is why you don’t short yourself on voice actors and make only one do them all. Hinging your entire success off of one and only one person brings and creates it’s own risks.
Family guy was notoriously unsuccessful due to this flaw.
Same with Looney Tunes
He explicitly said risks. If Seth MacFarlane could no longer be used as a voice actor for whatever reason, Family Guy would have been in very big trouble.
Why does the concept of risk need to be explained?
Black and white thinking is all the rage these days. There is no “risk,” it either “always is” or “always isn’t.” We did away with “sometimes” when we threw out “nuance.”
Sarcasm?
Sarcasm
Accept no substitutes.
Not all of us watch that trash.
It shouldn’t be a problem, there are some really good Justin Roiland soundalikes, and it’s not like Rick’s voice hasn’t changed over the course of the show anyways.
The harder part will be finding someone with the right comedic timing. That’s Roiland’s bigger contribution to the show
Comedic timing doesn’t matter when it’s prerecorded. Hell, even Roiland ran out of material after one Interdimentional Cable episode. That shit is the writers jobs. And between Roiland and Harmon, Dan is the faaaaar better writer.
Comedic timing still matters. The cadence of the sentence when you’re delivering a punchline matters, and yeah, you can do dozens of takes until it’s right, but they’re not going to want to do that.
To be clear, I do think it will be fine. They will find someone who can fill the role(s) well. It’s just not going to be as easy as recasting, say, War Machine in Iron Man was. They’ll need to find the right guy, but they will find him
Lmfao Justin Roiland is a garbage voice actor. He can do, like, 3 voices that a lot of people can easily impersonate.
Everyone lamenting Rick & Morty, and I’m over here like “What about Solar Opposites? I must know what’s going on with the wall people!”
Dan Stevens is taking over the role of Corvo, they put out a short video with the recast last month https://youtu.be/IyTANvYnbD8
Lmao that’s awesome. Quick, painless (well, not for Corvo), and fits the show.
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That was great!
Solar Opposites is better than Rick and Morty.
Absolutely pointless trying to keep the show going at this point. Just make something new, I’ve got enough confidence in Harmon and the rest of the writing team that I feel like they’d be able to create something great regardless of Roiland being a part of it.
It has been pretty clear that Harmon is the creative talent behind the show and Roiland had made himself replaceable. Harmon probably feels he can continue the show, so why not?
It’s my understanding is that Dan is primary creative engine of the show. Guess we’ll see.
I don’t think it’s that simple. Stuff Harmon works alone on can still be great, but it has a tendency to collapse under its own self-awareness. Whereas Roiland alone is just lulrandom and unhinged without Harmon’s storytelling skills pulling it together.
The two together had this amazing mix of self-awareness and chaos energy. Prime example being the Meeseeks episode. Remains to be seen if Harmon can pull it off on his own.
Yeah, the initial concept work for Rick and Morty was absolutely awful, but between the two of them it somehow fused low brow insanity and nihilistic narrative depth into something way better than it had any right to be. I can see people being thrown off by losing Roiland as a voice actor, but I think the real hit is going to the unreasonably solid blend between their script writing.
Ya anyone who’s seen Roiland’s original Rick and Morty short knows this lol
Seems like trying to recast Bill Cosby in the Bill Cosby show after his allegations. Pull the chute, this craft isn’t recovering from that.
I’m still going to watch it and I bet it’s still as funny as ever.
Just watched Season 6 on Hulu. Rick and Morty is still great.
Then again, I have a fairly high IQ so I understand the jokes. /s (God I hope the explicit sarcasm tag isn’t needed.)
Sadly it’s needed, as people who don’t watch R&M have a clearly inferior mind and can’t comprehend sarcasm.
We left them all behind in the migration and have an opportunity to set our own direction here. I, for one, vote that /s is not required on lemmy and people should be shunned for using it, like emojis on reddit.
We are all sarcastic all the time. There’s always sarcasm.
Of course I know this info because as a Rick and Morty watcher, my brain is clearly capable of such things.
The problem with not being explicit about sarcasm on the internet is that idiots will start to congregate, thinking they’re in good company.
Everyone here is missing the joke. This post is itself sarcastic but it’s lost on the non-Rick-and-Morty watchers.
There are so many layers of detached irony that even this post is sarcastic
“Morty, I turned myself into a Lemmy instance, Morty! I’m Lemmy Rick!” – Funniest shit I’ve ever seen.
You dropped this: /s
/s
Had completely forgotten about this and was wondering why it had been so long since I’d seen new R&M. This explains a lot.
It’s only been 8 months since the last episode aired
Didn’t some come out recently?
Holy crap I read the whole thread and article to find out there’s no new thing here - its the same news as earlier this year.
I misread the title as “‘rick and morty’ gives up on recasting process . . “ and thought they were going to kill off the characters or something. Nope. No news.
That’s the waaayyy the news goes
I think the new part is the confirmation that they’re seeking soundalikes and not recasting with someone who sounds totally different like in Solar Opposites
Kind of ashame :( I get he did some reprehensible shit. Just bummed. I really like this show. I hope it can keep the same vibe.
It’s interesting that the charges were dismissed, but I didn’t follow the case closely. Regardless what he did is bad news and best to severe ties to Roiland
The dude had been having inappropriate conversations with underage teens for years (i.e. grooming) and defending pedophilia on podcasts/interviews.
The quality of Rick and Morty fell off a cliff two seasons ago, and I chalked it up to everything being fucked up by the pandemic. Then I figured there was turnover in the writers room, and stories about how Justin was working on other projects more. Then after the news came out about Roiland, and the court case, it all finally made sense. Rick and Morty sucked shit the last two seasons, and I fear that Roiland was THE essential piece that made it all come together so perfectly. I’ll tune in and check it out the next time they roll our new eps, but going by the last two seasons, I think we had our shining brilliant perfect moment in the sun, and I’m not sure it’s coming back.
Weren’t all charges against him dropped?
I’m all for rooting out the predators I’m our society, but what are we doing when we take a franchise away from it’s creator based on accusations that don’t even have enough weight to warrant a trial?
A core tenant of our justice system is “innocent until proven guilty”. Was there even an internal company investigation that justifies punishing him?
Is it only possible to fire a toxic asshole because he committed crimes?
This exactly. Just because the charges dismissed against somebody doesn’t mean the internal investigations didn’t make it clear they’d be better off without his influence, and it also doesn’t mean the person is innocent of being deeply toxic and likely to run into issues again, it just means a prosecutor wasn’t willing to risk anything other than a clear win as so often happens with these types of cases.
Of course not… But what evidence do we have that he was a toxic asshole?
All those text message logs of inappropriate conversations with underage girls
I just googled them.
Yup. He had to go.
I found it. It’s right here! The first instance of anyone changing their mind in a debate on the internet!
I’ve actually seen that a few times here on lemmy. Plus I saw someone discuss some of their more conservative opinions on a respectful way and they weren’t downvoted or attacked. I mostly disagreed with what they said but it was nice to see actual discourse.
I mean, not the greatest thing ever but I’m not sure they are as bad as everyone makes them out to be? He is just saying outlandish shit… I mean the characters on the show have the same humor so I’m not sure what anyone expected.
teenagers
That’s what I was wondering. I wonder if there’s any actual evidence of anything occurring, or if it’s more of a case that it would be dramatically cheaper to replace him.
Yeah,I just googled the text messages mentioned above. Definitely super creepy and predatory.
All I could find were places talking about them, not the actual messages themselves. Was it clear that he knew they were underage before he started hitting on them?
Yeah, she was a 16 yr old with braces, and he called her jail bait.
fire a toxic asshole
Dr House?
core tenant
“Tenet”.
Savage
Weren’t all charges against him dropped?
Yes, but there was also a ton of leaked texts of him speaking inappropriately with underage girls and it also surfaced past instances of him defending pedophilia on podcasts.
He’s a liability to the IP and the people that work for it.
Could it have been an excuse to oust him?
Insane how people still think the American judicial system is still functioning for more than just those with money
Yeah…
R&M is never going to be the same.
It’s not just his voice, it’s his humour, his timing, his ability to improvise, he basically IS the entire show.
Trying to make a copy of a show like this is completely pointless.
Best to move on and create something new.
Also, weren’t his charges dismissed?
Justin’s humor was unique but was really dry when he was in his own. The other writers really brought his voice to life, IMHO. On that note, I think he was only a writer on one or two episodes of R&M.
Yeah I think if you only have to watch Solar Opposites to see that… his writing touch isn’t really crucial to R&M! Good riddance! Someone else can make their mark with the voice acting!
Allegedly Roiland hasn’t been very involved in the creative process of the show since season 2. He just mostly showed up to the record booth (like Family Guy’s Seth MacFarlane).
Dan Harmon (the other co-creator and) and the remaining writting team were responsible for it.
Do you sit in the writer’s room? What information do you have that contradicts what actual writers and actors on the show have said about Roiland’s (lack of) involvement in later seasons?
Also, weren’t his charges dismissed?
They were, according to the article
I thought it was more for the pedophilic grooming rather than the abuse case.
The article said they were under contract to make 10 seasons worth. Maybe they think it’s easier to just ride out the contract than break it.
“Soundalikes” never sound alike enough. It would be easy to write a story where their voices are permanently changed. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong, but as of now, I’m thinking they should have just worked with the change instead of trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
Who’s voice is gone?
Edit: we are utterly fucked bois
Rick and Morty
Rick and Morty (ALL versions) plus tons of side characters. He was the co-creator and a VERY large part of the cast.
Pretty sure it’s Rick
and Morty.
Oh jeez
and Rick.
Mr. Poopybutthole
Another victim of the american justice system. dude didnt even end up being charged. but just because he is suspsct of a crime he has to go work in food service now and for perpetuity
cant imagine the kind of shit the ceos do but god forbid a worker be anything less than perfect
if your bar for morality is “but it’s legal,” congrats: you’re an asshole.
You don’t always need to meet the legal standard of a crime to be a piece of shit
im sorry last i checked being a VA doesnt involve something a felon cant do. bet you love locking people up
I can’t imagine being so obsessed with a show/actor that I would defend a child predator
This has nothing to do with the “justice system”. Private companies can make their own decisions.
That’s how it is in the USA, an employer can fire an employee for any number of reasons that don’t involve a crime.
An employee does not get any guarantee of employment. Getting convicted of a sex crime will definitely get someone fired, but an employer can fire someone simply for being counterproductive. Though most government jobs do require a number of official complaints first.
For contract work common in entertainment there are legal obligations. An employer can break a contract at will, but it may end up in court if not settled privately.
criminal history should be a protected class just like being black
basically he got fired for something outside of work
should be illegal
bruh
I’m just going to assume you’re young and don’t appreciate the creepiness of what he said to teens. Hopefully in ten years you’ll look back and see how messed up it was.
no anyone who has ever commited a crime should be stripped of all rightz and sent to the gulag until they die forever
tell me you’re a convicted felon without telling me you’re a convicted felon 🤣
are you allowed to be this close to a school zone?
Wait, do you think companies shouldn’t be able to fire someone for being a sex pest?
no its the judiciarys job to punish criminals
once convincted a death penalty should prevent any trouble
if your crime isnt befit for death, then you can work and not be further punished
You realize that being fired for being a sex pest isn’t federal punishment right? It’s just a company looking after their own bottom line. Are you old enough to understand that public outcry isn’t the same thing as a criminal sentence?
Should the company be forced to employ Roiland until he gets a death sentence?
so you think sex predators should be alive? thats disgusting
Nah nah nah, don’t try to pull shit like that. Should companies be forced to forced to keep people because they are accused of a crime?
sir i believe You Have commited a crime here i have texts as evidence (see text i typed up)
can you give me your employerz number becauze sir now you are an accused child predator
dang dude you really should not have didled those kods
Heyyy I think you might be the first honest to goodness troll I’ve seen on lemmy.
