I feel like I’ve been forced to switch a lot of my default applications lately based on shitty decisions from tone deaf companies. I guess I’m going to move from Brave to Firefox finally.
Made the switch recently myself and can never look back. Being able to install custom add-ons on mobile is a huge plus to me
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Brave is also associated with Peter Thiel and if there is one person to get the title of Evil Tech Bro, it’s him.
Never heard anything bad about brave privacy, you got sources?
I think this is what has recently turned people against them: https://www.searchenginejournal.com/brave-browser-under-fire-for-alleged-sale-of-copyrighted-data/491854/#:~:text=Brave is alleged to sell,transparency in the tech industry.
They also in the past got caught using affiliate links with crypto URLs which gave brave kickbacks. Scumbag shit. If you want actual hardened browsing forget brave or anything chromium based. Use librewolf which is a forked version of Firefox. Mull if you’re on F-Droid.
Sauce: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology
^^^ absolutely.
Moving browsers used to be moved the webpages now…it’s a massive deal now.
Why did you chose Brave to begin with? Serious question, not being snarky. I tried it for a day and it just didn’t compete with Firefox + uBlock Origin in any meaningful way. I don’t see the appeal of bundling advanced security and filtering tools with the browser, it’s better if they’re separate entities, keeps everyone honest.
I’ve taught multiple people in my life to use brave. The vast majority of end users simply can’t be bothered to install a plugin or understand how to manage it when a site breaks. Brave makes it just a little more intuitive for them and means less IT calls for me. Firefox with ublock is what I personally use. Brave is what my family uses.
Brave is just as likely to “break” a site as uBO, what do they do then?
Brave has a button right next the task bar they can use to toggle off controls. I know ublock is stupid simple to do that too but the extra step of going to plugins then settings has lost people in my experience.
uBlock has a button next to the search bar, you can hide it, but I’m pretty sure it’s shown by default. It’s 2 clicks, but it’s just the shield icon (which I’m just realizing has uO on it instead of uBO, is that the official abbreviation?) then a big ass Power button. Either way, in my experience, anyone I try to set up with anything other than Edge, ends up back on it within a month because the dark patterns work and they get tricked into it :(
Stop using chrome. Absolute cancer of a browser
Chrome is fine. It’s Google what’s evil.
Chrome IS Google.
You could say the exact same thing about YouTube and it’d be just as wrong.
Chrome is a chip off the old block, in addition to just being the worse browser anyway.
Even if I go along that line of thought, few years ago when I was using Chrome it started scanning my computer without any notice, causing the fan to run hard.
I stopped using that creepy POS immediately and switched to Firefox. Never again a browser can just make a decision to scan my computer to “protect” me from whatever.
Yes, agree
@Llewellyn @ilovecarrotjuice Chrome is in now way fine…
Extremely common Firefox W
I hope EU steps in this time too
If this DRM can force you to use Chromium to display a webpage or content, that would be the most anticompetitive thing in recent times, and would absolutely not fly.
That’s why they want to make it a web standard, so they can just blame Firefox and others for not following the standard and avoid EU fines.
That’s what Microsoft did with their office document standard.
Yeah, the sad thing here is that if Apple comply, it will basically become a standard and there’s nothing that Firefox or anything else can do about it. If they can get it on iPhone, it’s game over. Half the web will be blocked unless you agree to see adverts.
If they can get it on iPhone, it’s game over.
While this is true, I struggle to understand how Apple would stand to gain from implementing this unless it had already become a widespread standard. It’s also an opportunity for more privacy focused marketing if they oppose it, just like they do with government attempts to force them to implement backdoors into iOS.
I doubt the EU would buy that.
If it’s an actual official web standard, they might have to.
“Official” web standards huh?
Good thing Google is not a recognized standards body
I have limited understanding of the technical side of this issue, but based on this comment, this sounds like a brilliant move by Google - Don’t like the rules of the game, change the game…
Edit: for clarification, this comment was very tongue in cheek - I don’t support Google, this was just an acknowledgement of a smart business play.
an acknowledgement of a smart business play.
When politicians do it, it’s “corruption.” When normal people do it, it’s “crime.” When capitalist parasites do it, it’s “smart business.”
We need to stop this capitalist brainrot. It’s not a smart business move; a smart business move would be one where everyone wins. This is a lazy and evil move designed for pure extraction of value and coercion of compliance.
Live the way we want you to (and we take 30% off the top!)
`I mean, yes, agreed. But this is literally how businesses operate - stay ahead of governments, or change the game so govts are onboard (as regulation regularly trails behind business). A genuinely smart business move would obviously be preferable, but the modern history of megacorps is not exactly a shining beacon of benevolence to the ppl. It should be, but gestures wildly at everything
Edit: exchanged “always” for “regularly”
the modern history of megacorps is not exactly a shining beacon of benevolence to the ppl
I mean, yes, agreed. But why does anyone think that that’s ok?
Can someone explain to me the google API and DRM situation in stupid people terms? I’m stupidly tech illiterate but I know that this is a big deal and I would like to understand
Sure thing. With this current proposal, when you visit a website, the site asks your browser if you’re willing to display it as intended, basically with all and any adverts. If the answer is no, then you can’t see the content, if the answer is yes, then you’re likely using Chrome or a Chromium based browser and Google can guarantee more ad impressions, because they’re first and foremost an advert selling company.
What about replying yes, then blocking ads?
Your device would return a signature to say that there’s no adblocking software on the device.
And that signature can’t be spoofed? Or the browser can’t be sandboxed and quarantined so it is made unaware of such software, and the software applied retroactively?
I may not be 100% right, as I haven’t looked at it in detail, but I think it’s even a bit more than that. Since the way that’s proven is by the browser vendor signing the request (I assume with an HTTP header or something), you could also verify it’s from a specific vendor. So even if Mozilla says, yes, we’ll display your ads, a website could still lock down to Chrome. It would probably also significantly hamper new browsers, and browsers with a security/anti-ad focus, as they won’t be recognised by major websites that use the new protocol until they have market share, which they won’t get if they don’t have access to major websites.
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A) Maybe not you, maybe not me or anyone else here, but 99.99% of the rest of the world? And when the rest leave, is Mozilla really going to be able to justify maintaining a browser for those that remain? B) There might not be a website that would do it, but what about if practically all websites with any corporate backing did it?
This is the fundamental point that so many techies fail to get. Saying “I’ll be fine, I’ll do X” is irrelevant. If nobody’s doing what you want to do, then eventually you won’t be able to do it either.
If I’m still using degoogled chromium… Am I still supporting Google? :(
Yes. You’re still giving a Chromium based browser market share. Pretty much the only non Chromium browser is Firefox
Well yes: it’s essentially Chromium, which the majority of code comes from Google
What about brave? Yes its Chromium based as every browser except firefox, but modified
Yes, it is still chromium.
In statistics, Brave counts as chromium.
@fatalicus @disconnectikacio I use ungoogled-chromium.
Which is still chromium, just removed any dependencies on google.
Google makes Chromium, and enev “ungoogled-chromium” will register as chromium in statistics.
That is what this thread of comments started with…
@fatalicus but isn’t the ungoogled version better ?
Fucking US and all their shitty companies. literally a big FU
same feel man: too much american shitty companies (especilaly software companies)
If this goes through. Will Google become a browser monopoly and (hopefully) get sued
Apple already implemented something similar on safari that flew under the radar, so the browser/mobile duopoly cartel is still working.
Do you have any more details on this?
https://www.snellman.net/blog/archive/2023-07-25-web-integrity-api-vs-private-access-tokens/ explains it better than I could in a comment.
Based Mozilla
They try to present it as “detecting abuse”, but it’s literally just “allow servers to block non-verified browers”(in other words google blocking access to their services for non-chrome users(the people proposing it work for google)).
And as always these types of asshats always shit all over anyone using accessbility tools(or don’t even consider them in the first place, which amounts to the same thing).
i personally don’t understand why companies overlook accessbility, is it to save profits?
why did you waste your time asking that question when you already knew the answer?
It’s always the profits!!!
I get it costs money to develop accessibility, but you can’t rip off a blind man if he can’t navigate your sight. I truly don’t get it.
Edit: site, not sight
I want to laugh but … well … I’m not crying YOU’RE CRYING
One just has to wonder… how evil can Google become?!
Have slowly been switching to Firefox for a couple of months, but the DRM proposal has gotten me to fully switch.
Thank you. You’re only one person, but the world is just particles. If enough of us come together, we will be something tangible.
Based and actual freedom pilled
