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G in gif stands for graphics just like how P in jpeg stands for poto
Gesus Krissed…
He did what now?
Krissed all over the sopa
Did you shampoo my wife!?
G in gif stands for graphics just like how P in jpeg stands for potato
FTFY
I feel that if you’re going to bother people who pronounce it “Jiff” because Graphics, you have to also say “Sc-uh-bÆ” and “Lass-ear” and “ray-dare.”
Don’t forget Nay-saa.
Wait until they find out about scuba and laser
skubba
So really it should be pronounced “jfeg”
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yeah it’s not “jraphics”
The author calls it JIF. He intended it as Jif because he has butter fingers and like butter brand JIF.
I’m used to hard G though.
And British people made English, but they don’t say anything right either.
I know he says it’s pronounced “jif”, but I just don’t care. It’s like “gift” without the t
Let’s be honest here, English does not have that level of consistency. “Women” is pronounced with an “i” for christ sake
Because the a in woman is pronounced the same way the e in women is pronounced…
Probably that was originally introduced by some medieval swinger society, so they could say that they are faithful to their women and technically not be lying about it. When the church figured out they introduced the o as an i thing.
Because the a in woman is pronounced the same way the e in women is pronounced…
woman = wum-en
women = wim-inYeah I’m gonna have to disagree with you there, chief.
i always eas taught the plural to be pronounced as “wi-men” I also cannot remember any english TV show or so to talk about wimin, so where the second ibis explicit as an i and distinguishable from an e
Say the word “though” in your head. Then add a “t” to it. Would you really argue that “though” and “thought” are pronounced the same simply because they’re the same spelling save for a final “t”?
The easiest “rule” is that the creator can decide how to pronounce and spell it lol. Taking English rules that don’t even apply 100% of the time to its own words and trying to hold made-up words to the same standards just sounds silly to me haha
There are no rules to how new words come into being or how old ones change.
If everyone says a word a certain way with certain meaning, then that’s what it is. One person doesn’t get to decide.
Or like “gin” with an f?
Ginf? That’s a new one.
No, you’re supposed to replace the letter, not add it, so “fin”
Never. No.
It’s more like giant or gin or giraffe.
No, it’s more like give or get or girl.
Get is not even gi
He made the format, not English.
Nobody made english, nor is a language static. It is an everchanging result of millions of people using and evolving it.
A language that doesn’t change is dead, like latin is. So any rule of how something is supposed to be in a language is subject to time and place, but never absolute.
That’s my point. If everyone pronounces a word a certain way, THAT is its correct pronunciation. The first person to say a thing doesn’t get to tell everyone else they’re wrong.
Everyone started using the word “literally” to mean figuratively, so the official definition changed to mean either or.
Everyone says GIF similar to gift, then that’s the proper pronunciation. Creator has no say.
Ya and in English, we pronounce things like giant, giraffe, gin, etc. with a “j” sound.
Find me a closer English word than “Gift” that uses a J sound for the G
English doesn’t work that way. Man is the closest work to woman. Doesn’t mean you pronounce the “m” “a” “n” in the two words the same way.
English works like all languages. It’s organic and full of exceptions. New words pop up, old ones die, pronunciations change and differ between similar words.
Most people chose to say gif like gift. One person doesn’t get to change it just because of who they are. Otherwise celebrities can start changing things.
This is all like the Mean Girls scene where the girl was trying to make “fetch” happen and the other girl shot her down.
Gin
Yeah, I always read it as “Jif” then came the correctness police of Reddit and I was bullied into “Gif” by guilt.
And now some 8-40 years later, I feel anything but “Gif” is wrong. Help!
Help!
Absolutely not, I don’t say this often but those bullies did the right thing.
Do you pronunce it guilt or juilt? Okay bad question
I thought it was at least jood.
Good thing word coiners don’t get full control over word usage.
They do though when they are right.
This makes no sense. It stands for “Graphics Interchange Format”, do they pronounce it jraphics too?
There are so many examples in this thread alone as to why this rule doesn’t work.
SCUBA: the U is for “underwater” and the A is for “apparatus”. We don’t pronounce it “SC-uh-B-ahhh”.
JPEG: The P is for “photographic”. We don’t pronounce it “JayFeg”.
LASER: The E is for “emission”. We don’t pronounce it “Lay-See-R”.
RADAR: The second A is for “And” (lol). We don’t pronounce it “Ray-Day-R”.The easiest “rule” is just the guy who made it up can dictate how they want it spelled and to pronounce. The word is made up anyway, and isn’t subject to rules that actual English words have been subjected to for however long the language evolved.
The guy that came up with with the acronym for unidentified flying object also wrote that it should pronounced you-fo but everyone spells it out because that is less confusing. So there is an example of the creator being ignored.
How do you pronounce JPEG? Jay-feg?
Yep, I take your point
Seems an odd choice in gif’s case still, as you can use the starting letter sounds from each word and it doesn’t sound weird.
Not the same for jpeg. P by itself doesn’t make a ph sound.
I don’t really give a fuck what he intended. If he wanted it to be pronounced JIF he should have named it that.
Copyright concerns?
So how do you pronounce giraffe or giant or gin?
How do you pronounce “graphic”?
How do you pronounce “underwater?” (It’s the “u” in scuba)
He didn’t intend shit. He just wanted to watch the world burn!
I’m sorry, but he waited 26 years to tell everyone how it’s pronounced… at this point you can go with the majority, or stick with however you want to pronounce it.
Hard G and soft G are both acceptable pronunciatiations, the only way to be wrong in the situation is to insist that your preferred way to pronounce it is the only correct way to pronounce it
Oh, except silent G. Silent G is wrong.
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nah fuck that i’mma be unapologetically weird and scruffy
life’s too short to give a fuck
In that case, yodspeed my dude
How do I delete someone else’s comment
Gif you say so
Hard R would also be wrong.
I will never not smile when this comes up. Not because of the word, but because of Linus.
The innocent “what?! No!” :D
No Gifs or Gbuts
I seen a guraffe at the zoo!
And it had a gift.
Was it a gyro?
If it were gyf or gir, then it could have been gyro or giraffe. But no, it was a gift of gif.
Sorry, did you say it had a gif?
I mean it’s funny but of course you are objectively wrong.
You lie guraffos are lies told by whores and god
This one is good
But the g in gif stands for “graphical,” not “giraffe!” You silly goose
yeah man, just like you go scuba diving oo-nderwater.
it’s a dead end. We can’t pretend that “g” can’t also be pronounced as “j”, or that the words making up the acronym matter. It’s all preference and since GIF’s dad called it “jif”, I’m gonna call it “jif”. At least that’s based on something beyond my own hubris.
Saying it with a hard G because ‘graphical’ has a hard G is a reason based on something beyond hubris.
Just like jpeg is pronounced “jfeg”
That’s easily the worst reasoning for the hard-g considering how we don’t pronounce the letters of most acronyms based on the phrases they come from.
Tell that to Qantas, the abomination of all acronyms. WHERE IS THE U??? AAAAAAAAA
The j in jpeg stands for “photographic”.
So… “jay-feg”?
And how do you pronounce giraffe? Giant?
And how do you pronounce gift? Gondola?
The guy-ant ger-raffe jave me a jift on his jondola.
See, the one thing I consistently see from the hard g side is a lack of understanding of fundamental phonics. Like, say it how you want, but at least make cogent arguments.
It’s pronounced gif with a hard G.
When I rise to power anyone who disagrees will be immediately found guilty of thought crimes and sentenced to castration, followed by execution, in that order.
Think maybe you need to get out more
English is phonetically inconsistent, you can find examples to support both ways of pronouncing it.
There are some consistencies in letter patterns, just not in individual letters. For example, no word that starts with go-, ga-, or gu- pronounces the g like a j (except for the archaic gaol, and there’s a reason the spelling was changed to jail). It’s mainly limited to ge- and gi- words.
Inconsistencies with the other options are probably due either to how the term came into English (English is practically built on loanwords) or some other subsequent pattern of letters I’m too lazy to try to identify.
We were literally told it was pronounced “jif” by the creator. Sorry if it hurts your little feelings
Whoever invented all the words in that sentence certainly didn’t pronounce them like you do.
I mean, id pronounce them the way the creators said if they were here and specifically told me how to pronounce it 💁🏻
ok chaucer, lol. you’d sound weird to everyone else
I’m 99% sure the creator was either being sarcastic, or he decided to be a contrarian for the internet clicks. “GIF” is an acronym that stands for “Graphics Interchange Format”. It makes very little sense to intentionally pronounce it like a peanut butter brand.
Of all the arguments this one always feels like the absolute weakest. There are so many acronyms that are not pronounced like that it’s unreal. Unless you commit to pronouncing it jayfeg for the rest of your life…
Contrarian when he said “choosy developers choose gif” (implying the soft g) in 1987? I think that precedes the internet debate a little
This dude gets it.
actually, gif is an acronym. Specifically not an initialism. That means that it is pronounced as a single word (like “scuba”, but unlike “fbi” or “nsa”).
The pronunciation of the acronym does not have to conform to the original pronunciation of the letters.
Examples:
the “p” in jpeg stands for the “ph” sound, but we pronounce it as a hard “p”.
The “u” in scuba stands for “underwater”. We still pronounce it as “scOOba” not “scAAba”
So why is “gif” any different? Its creator chose the soft G for the pronunciation of the acronym (not its expansion), and therefore it is the correct one, simply because there is no rule about how it should be pronounced, so the choice was his. He made it
It’s SQL all over again.
The sequel if you will
🤣 I remember hearing that for the first time and thinking wtf are they talking about.
The joke at the time was “Choosy Developers Choose GIF”
Yeah not everyone is from the US and had that brand. The soft g has always made sense as much hard g, especially if you say the words Gin or Gym besides it.
I’m also convinced he did that just to be an annoying contrarian back in 2013 when he announced how he pronounces it.
Dude likely never actually cared.
So?
The British are the creator of the English language but they pronounce nearly every word wrong.
He waited til 2013 to come out and say that though, when he made it back in 1987. What he wants doesn’t matter.
The most popular way to pronounce a word wins; Sorry if it hurts your little feelings.
The joke at the time was “Choosy Developers Choose Gif”
This always attracts pedants whining “the creator said to pronounce it like jif!” and it’s like, OK, A) That’s an appeal to authority, one of the best known logical fallacies B) The creator of Mother’s Day spent over 30 years trying to get people to stop celebrating it, but too bad, I’m still gonna wish my Mom a happy Mother’s Day, you know?
Appeal to authority is a fallacy if a non-expert in the field is appealed to. However he was the creator, does he not get to name it?
Don’t get me wrong it’s a hard g for me too but it’s not a fallacy tbh.
I won tell you you’re wrong just don’t say I’m wrong for saying with a soft g.
^^^this. Nobody is “wrong”. Say it how you want to. Either way is fine. But get all cocky and tell me I’m wrong for using a soft g and you better be able to defend that assertion, because I’ve heard every argument for why a hard g is the only correct way to say it and they’re all bs.
it’s not an appeal to authority, if the choice was his, not ours, to begin with. Tons of acronyms have letters that are pronounced differently. It could be arbitrary because an acronym is its own separate word.
Divers don’t dive oonderwater with their scuba gear. And when they take a camera with them, they don’t get the pictures saved as jaypheg files.
The choice can be arbitrary. Since it is, the creator gets to decide. Like whoever discovers a new species of creature gets to name it whatever they like.
GIF (J sound). For those who are confused or don’t understand the debate, many people forget phonetics, and that letters can make different sounds depending on the use case. The words below use a soft g sound, like in the word “Justice”, (at least with US English). Pronouncing them with a hard g sounds odd, but only due to us being used to the way use pronounce them already. Though it doesn’t matter much, saying with a soft G (J sound) is easier and faster to say due to how one’s mouth moves. Saying it with a hard G requires more muscle, bringing one’s tongue to the back of the mouth to produce a hard G “Google”.
- Gym
- Giant
- Ginger
- Gesture
- Gist
- Gin
- Gyroscope
- Gypsy
- Jargon
The following words are exceptions to this so-called “rule”:
- Give
- Get
- Together
- Girl
- Gear
Here’s a list, there’s like 100 of them.
Is it a rule? I figured it was more of a principle, like something more nuanced, opposite of a rule in terms of a black and white answer.
Your link I believe would also fit into the principle definition, as they are exceptions to this dilemma.
Gesus christ lemmy
I make everyone angry by pronouncing it as gife
Yes but is that jife of gife?
Yes. It is.
I pronounce it jizmodo
How do you distinguish from jizmodo the porn site?
Well, one has porn, the other does not.
But we are talking about pronounciation, so its about a vocal conversation. How do you distinguish that.
Best argument, right here.
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Choosy mothers choose Jif.
The modern day shibboleth. Are you someone who reads the fucking manual, or do you believe instagram influencers when they make up rules for pronunciation? Or maybe you’re just an old fart who has been using gifs since before people didn’t know how to pronounce it, like me.
