For those who don’t know, In the US, the two political parties basically switched sides at one point. I only skimmed, but here’s an article about it:
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
But I’d rather look at what modern people are doing and saying, than muse about what older generations would have wanted or done.
I find it’s easier to explain this to people as “Southern conservatives used to vote Democrat, now they vote Republican”.
Yeah, the idea of a sudden swap is simplistic. The New Deal coalition included white Southerners and a substantial number of Black people and people who were otherwise prone to being sympathetic to Black civil rights. Certain dynamics protected the spot of Dixiecrats, but the contradictions were just too great for the party to hold together forever. It was a simple matter of absorbing the disaffected Dixiecrats.
But I’d rather look at what modern people are doing and saying.
We would too but unfortunately fascists pretend that they’re not fascist by claiming their political party freed the slaves.
This obviously ignores their bigotry and hate for people of color and distaste for women… And well, I digress. Suffice to say that these assholes try to claim they’re not racist despite all the racist bullshit and hate they spread, and they use this claim as proof.
We would love to ignore it but we can’t. Best we can do is inform ourselves.
It’s a short source and I’d like to see it also explain some of the racial dynamics going on at the time, but otherwise ok.
I wish I followed this advice earlier. The way I’ve heard it was: “When someone tells you who they are, believe them.”
From an interview with Oprah Winfrey in 1997:
When you look at that process of waiting on somebody who has told you they were going to do something and told you they were going to be there for you and they were not, they are showing you in that moment exactly who they are. That means that’s somebody who cannot be trusted. So why would you the next time trust that person?
So, Maya Angelou said to me, when I was telling her one of these stories about, “I’m waiting and I couldn’t believe it and he didn’t call me and I don’t know what happened,” she was saying, “My dear,” in her Maya voice, “My dear, when people show you who they are, why don’t you believe them? Why must you be shown 29 times before you can see who they really are? Why can’t you get it the first time?”
And so the adjunct of that is, when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. Don’t wait for the twenty-ninth time."
The full quote is “When people show who you who they are, believe them the first time.”
Which I think is the best version of the quote, honestly. We’ve been letting conservatives scream about who they are without really believing them for 70 fucking years now. Now they’re not even afraid to put on a mask, they’ve gone fully mask-off on abuse and racism. This is what you get by enabling them through not believing them the first time. To me that’s the further issue that Angelou didn’t touch on. You’re enabling that behavior by treating them as though they will somehow magically change. For Oprah it was assuming that man would suddenly start calling and treating her right. For the US political establishment it’s for assuming conservatives are operating in good faith.
(It is Oprah Winfrey rephrasing statements she had been told by Maya Angelou. So the quote often gets attributed to them both, but I would consider it a Winfrey quote simply because she’s paraphrasing someone else, using her own words.)
(Also, while the quote is good and Maya Angelou is good. Fuck Oprah Winfrey and all the fucking snake oil peddling freaks she promotes.)
Cringe as fuck
Bad advice really
So… You shouldn’t take past behavior as an indication of future behavior?
I think it’s good advice. Saves a lot of time
What you all need to realize is, those last 70 years have been DEMOCRATS showing you who they are: Useful idiots for the truly evil Republicans.
Yet no one believes it despite that being the only thing Democrats do… Obama Care is a Republican plan from Mitt Romney from the 90’s. Biden is now ALSO screeching about “securing the border”…
Democrats are the blissfully unaware idiots helping evil people, and nobody believes it.
Maybe they don’t believe it because that’s not what happened 🤔
Right, the affordable care act ISN’T based on Mitt Romney’s plan, and Biden totally didn’t say, “give me the ability to close the border and I’ll do it!”.
Ya’ll are in fucking denial and it’s beyond pathetic. The fascists are winning because you’re too fucking weak to understand that the Dems have been the “good cop” to the Republicans’ bad cop for decades.
Again, grow up and engage with the real world before it’s too late.
I am NOT saying, “don’t vote for Biden over Trump”. I’m saying, “don’t trust Biden to fix much without GREAT pressure.”. Yet you fucks cannot even hear the basic truth that not even the Dems are your friend unless you make a HEALTHY six figures or more. Pathetic. Fucking Pathetic.
I’m not American dude
I didn’t say them by name, but Democrats are who I was thinking about when I discussed how pretending they are operating in good faith is enabling that behavior.
Democrats enable Conservative criminality, because they play an endless shell-game of “but they’re really operating in good faith this time, we promise. We just need to
reach across the aisleget a reach-around.”“If we ‘meet them in the middle’ and shift a mile to the right for the 3,041st time, they’ll totally meet us in the middle THIS TIME instead of sprinting another two miles to the right like they have every other time, we swear!”
I understand the panic in marginalized communities and them saying if dems don’t win they’re going to be fucked now, but they don’t get that we’re only a couple election cycles from democrats throwing them under the bus same as Republicans.
Well, if my options to get dragged to the camps is either right now or in a few election cycles, I’m on the side of it taking longer.
I would think people would prefer “not being dragged to camps at all” but everybody keeps voting for “yes to camps but in 4 years”
Just weird to me but go off I guess. 🤷
Well, I voted Biden in 2020, and here we are four years later and I ain’t in a camp yet. Kind of seems like that’s an inaccurate prediction, and you would be served by considering the chain of reasoning that led you to this pass, to see what improvements might be made in your process to enable better predictions in the future. Not every change is an improvement, but every improvement is a change.
Yep! They don’t have to have evil intent themselves to never the less still effectively be the “good cop” accomplice to the Republican’s bad cop.
Pretty standard right wing whataboutism lol “bu-bu-but what about this thing that happen 150 years ago??? Clearly the Democratic party still wants slavery!!!”
All the racist democrats left the party to join the Republican Party when democrats voted to give black peoples rights.
Even though the names of the two major parties haven’t changed since 1854 (when the Republican Party replaced the Whigs), the ideological alignment of them has continued to shift, at least five times in total (or maybe six, if you count MAGA christo-fascism as separate from what the party was before).
I’ve always thought the MAGA phase was just an extension of what the party became during the George W and Obama years. Trump just exploited what was already there.
Reagan really started the christifascist plan into action.
Been a lot worse since 9/11 tho
Nixon used a ‘Southern strategy’ to get in in 1968.
I like to say that Nixon fed the base beer, Reagan made it grain alcohol punch, Bush Jr. pulled out the moonshine, and Trump gave them meth.
I like your metaphor 😂
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/X_8E3ENrKrQ
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I say we compromise and carve “LOSER” on every single monument. You still get your statues but everyone knows you’re a fuckin loser.
Whenever someone pulls out the “dEmOcRaTs WeRe ThE cOnFeDeRaTeS” argument, you know they’re either dumb as fuck or arguing entirely in bad faith. Like bro the parties switched in the 1960s it’s just names at this point.
Saying the parties “switched” is a large oversimplification. But yes, as the Democrats became anti segregation, it had dissatisfied white, racist, voters in the south. Of which Republicans, were all too happy to cater to, thus the “switch”.
1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes Democrats Republicans House 153 of 244 (63%) 136 of 171 (80%) Senate 46 of 67 (69%) 27 of 33 (82%) 1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes Union Confederacy House 281 of 313 (90%) 8 of 102 (8%) Senate 72 of 78 (92%) 1 of 22 (5%) 1964 Civil Rights Act Senate Version Ayes Dem/Union Rep/Union Dem/Confed Rep/Confed House 145 of 152 (95%) 136 of 161 (85%) 8 of 91 (9%) 0 of 11 (0%) Senate 45 of 46 (98%) 27 of 32 (84%) 1 of 21 (5%) 0 of 1 (0%) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights
All I’m sayin’
Have you ever wondered why they switched? It’s kind of weird. Right?
Cause LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
There’s something ironic about Republicans’ treatment of history.
am I too European to understand this meme?
Lucky
Wes_Dev said
"For those who don’t know, In the US, the two political parties basically switched sides at one point. I only skimmed, but here’s an article about it:
https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
But I’d rather look at what modern people are doing and saying, than muse about what older generations would have wanted or done."
Evidently, yes.
A close friend was raised in the Carolinas. They were taught that the civil war was about “states rights”. It wasn’t until they were an adult that they did their own looking into what “rights” the southern states were fighting for. It really opened my eyes to how the blinders have been put on so many people. I’m 100% sure that I have my own set, but it’s important to remember, and engage these people when you have an opportunity.
The confederates hated America.
What? A bad faith argument from the right? I can’t believe it… took this long to hit 1 million.
Heh.
@Grayox i am batman
Woodrow Wilson, the man that erected the majority of those statues, was a Democrat. That ain’t your heritage.
deleted by creator
Why so you desgise US politics as memes. It ain’t even funny.
Is there a way to block it? Like filter out certain tags/keywords?
Post of the content is in the image so very hard to filter.
Leave lemmy
