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It doesn’t have to be like this, America. Not only is tipping not expected in Australia, but when the “Choose tip” screen comes up on US made software, all the servers I’ve ever had skip straight through it and choose zero.
Servers deserve to be paid fairly.
I award you no tips, and may God have mercy on your soul!
This is why I have stopped dining out, if the business demands excess to then pay staff and without tips staff go unpaid then what is it I am supporting.
Gonna call “likely fake ragebait” on this
The fact you have to say “likely” rather than “outright bullshit” says everything. As an european If america didn’t exist I’d know this image is a joke.
I don’t have proof that this literally never happened so I can’t say it with 100% certainty. That’s all there is here
I also can’t believe it is real, but I wouldn’t discount it as being fake. Similar case below:
https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/business/alaskan-restaurants-100-tip-option-appalls-vacationer/
That is one example of it occurring, yes, but similarities with the image presented here and your source end at the 100% tip. Everything else has been modded to bait that rage.
Your link shows an entirely different tip screen.
It is different, but close enough that I won’t be surprised this is real.
That was followed by an option of 30%, described as “Great;” 50%, rated as “Wow!” and finally 100%, which the tip screen noted was for the “Best Service Ever!” per the outlet
This would get an immediate Custom -> 0% from me the moment I see it.
Fucking “soso” for a 20% tip the hell
Man I’d leave a 1% tip just in case someone sees it and realizes that it was on purpose because I’m annoyed with the UX
Also, holy hell, am I glad to live in a country that doesn’t do tipping*. It was a bit weird going to the US and not knowing when to tip and when not to, but I doubt I’ll be revisiting y’all in the next 4 years anyway :(
*At restaurants with table service, it’s considered polite, but not necessary, to tip, if you enjoyed the experience.
If this is in a restaurant after I’ve eaten, it would get 0% and I’d never go there again.
If this is presented to me somewhere you pay before consuming your food/purchase, I’m leaving without paying.As a dev I would try negative value in the custom field.
There’s no 20 it’s 30%!! Insane.
They know there’s soft, weak people like me that find it painful because the guy in front of you can see it. I mean, I’m a good principled person and I’ve still done it, but I felt like trash in the process.
I guess it was just a matter of time before other classes than the bottom one figured out aggressive panhandling.
Yeah it’s disgusting
30% is “soso” but a 100% is only “Thank You”? In this case the 100% should be “Walk over to the other side of the register so the boss can blow You”.
Custom 0%
It ain’t my job to pay your employees salaries
Maybe it’s your job to avoid patronizing places that don’t pay their employees enough though?
I absolutely will pick the no-tips place given a choice, but I take issue with that wording. Basically every business pays as little as possible, by design.
Given a choice? There’s always a choice. You’re just leaving yourself a convenient back door to not tip while benefitting from tipping culture.
I would happily pay more for my meal if it meant I didn’t have to tip. The benefit we get from not tipping is marginal compared to the benefit restaurant owners get by not paying living wage. Not to mention it’s added stress to the actual people doing the work because they don’t even get the guarantee of a decent paycheck.
And there is a choice, you chose to perpetuate the system that grossly exploits the laborer, I choose to have minimal participation in such a system. Want to take a guess which of the two actually has a chance to fix the system?
…what? I’m saying they can always help it, they can always not go somewhere that expects tips. But if you would like to go somewhere that expects tips, you better fucking tip. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Don’t want to support that system? Don’t participate in it at all. Don’t just not participate in the part that costs you money. I don’t get why you’re lecturing me as if I defend tipping as a system.
“As little as possible” and “not enough” are two different things.
I suppose, but it’s really hard to separate. You have to pick a cutoff, which in the face of a world full of intangible wealth and costs is hard, and then if you come out with a number that’s too high you basically have nowhere you can shop.
There’s select industries that are super shitty, and I avoid those, but paying minimum wage for unskilled labour is a normal industry. (And, ironically, a lot of the fair-ethical-organic type businesses are super shitty themselves, because everyone wants to get paid extra and some will do horrible things to make that happen)
You’re saying this like it’s necessary to eat in restaurants with waiters. It isn’t. It’s a luxury.
Wait, where are you? I thought I recognised you from .ca, but it sounds like you might be thinking of the US system where they can pay nothing except tips. In my province you earn at least minimum wage as a waiter, and tips.
If I were to just straight up refuse to eat from restaurants under any circumstance, I’d be heavily incurring those intangible costs I mentioned, because it’s an expected social thing. That being said, I might consider it if I was in the US, but I’m not.
Also, tips have expanded well beyond servers, but that’s kind of beside the point.
Well you thought wrong. I was born and raised in the U.S. and lived there until about two weeks ago when we fled.
And in my 47 years in America, I was never in a situation where I couldn’t say, “no thanks” if someone invited me to a restaurant. And who invites you to restaurants and makes you pay?
No, it’s not, however as a near-minimum wage worker myself, it is also not my job to cover a massive corporation’s lack of proper budgeting…
If you keep patronizing such businesses, why would they ever do that? They know they don’t have to in order to get your money. And it is the same with your own near-minimum wage job. You are working against your own best interests. Nothing will change while people are willing to give their money to companies that don’t pay their workers a fair wage.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against tipping if the person did a good job, but a company trying to guilt trip me into giving them a mandatory tip? Nah, that’s bullshit, it’s essentially “Oh, we can’t pay our employees enough, would you mind helping 🥺”. Outta here with that.
Right,so don’t use those businesses. You give them no reason to do anything differently.
All you are doing is helping to maintain the status quo.
I think it is the case of “you think in the right direction, but you don’t do it all the way, so now I’m gonna attack you over this until you stop doing anything”.
Not paying tips is a good start.
Can you give an example of that ever working? Because boycotts sure as fuck work.
Rewarding the employer for underpaying the employees is not, in any way, the right direction, though? Not tipping is just telling the employees “I don’t care if you get paid, so long as I get what I want”
How? Those people just aren’t going to get the money. Its not like the company is going to pay them extra because you didnt tip. Theyve already decided that the wage will be low Your logic doesn’t really make sense
I would not, that’s… what I’m trying to imply here… Yeah, businesses who don’t pay their employees enough bad.
You don’t get it, I think? The point is to get the workers to quit or protest because they don’t get paid enough, so that the place can increase the prices instead so they can pay their workers. If the place is still providing a nice service or good food or whatever it may be, you don’t want it to go out of business. Just make a worker-positive change.
It takes everyone to fix these issues. It is not a one-sided job. Every time you give these establishments money, you help them.
And there is no shortage of replacement waiters out there for the ones who quit.
Most people won’t quit, especially in the US from what I know. If they are already underpaid, how can they quit? And if pretty much every place treats waiters the same, what choice do they have?
Certainly not lol, what a ridiculous thing to say
I don’t mind paying for the convenience. I tip well. I do wish we lived in a country where living wages were a thing. But we don’t. We’re a giant slave colony owned by like 5 megacorps.
My question here is, how much was the bill? 5 or $600?
95, lol, the percentages are there on the screen
Yep. Sure is. Hopefully that makes my blonde moment quota for a few days.
If you look at the screenshot you can see the bill is $95
I frequent a bagel place that automatically adds a fairly hefty (not THAT hefty) tip when you pre-order online for in-store pickup.
If not for the fact that they are by far the best place to go for bagels in my area (we have few choices), that alone would stop me from ordering.
Their bagels are good, and I’m not above tipping at a bagel place. But their prices are already very high for a bagel place (they know what they got), they do brisk business, and they should damn well be paying their employees more rather than trying to sneak a 25% tip into every online order. It doesn’t even present it as in OP - it’s just there in the itemization in the end and you need to manually edit it out before ordering.
Edt - oh and if real, I ain’t never going back to the place in OP after seeing that one time.
If real…
The moment they ask for a tip they are not getting anything nor a repeat customer.
Presenting the possibility to tip on the screen is ok, I think. The tone (and from my European perspective the percentages) is, what I find weird.
I agree, the %s are too high, and there should be a “no tip” option there (even though you should tip here especially full service but not counter service), but also the “30% soso?!” Even I’m not tipping this one.
This would be an automatic “custom” > 0% for me. Sorry, not sorry.
If you can’t afford living wages for your staff so they’re not dependant on tips, your store shouldn’t be open.
Everyone working a job should be making a living wage. “Oh, but then the price of my McDonald’s cheeseburger will skyrocket!!” Fucking good. If it’s not economical to produce a product without abusing people, that product shouldn’t exist. Period. I will die on this hill.
“Oh, but then the price of my McDonald’s cheeseburger will skyrocket!!” Fucking good
I don’t know why people keep repeating this propaganda. Plenty of countries pay actual wages to their employees, don’t have tipping, and the prices are still fucking cheaper than America.
Apologies, I’m not trying to say that that argument is true or has any basis in reality, more so that the argument is completely irrelevant
regardless, it doesn’t matter if people are already forced to tip. it just means you’re already paying more but it’s just not included in the sticker price
I wonder how many damn products we use on a daily basis that have been produced with some level of abuse along the production chain. Probably easier to count the ones without abuse, eh.
I agree completely, but I still stand by my original point.
Oh for sure. My comment wasn’t meant to undermine your point. Ideally there would be no abuse whatsoever, that should be the minimum baseline. I stand by your point with you, friend.
Paying people a living wage would only increase the price by pennies. This is just another “conservative” talking point without any basis in reality.
What’s stopping McDonald’s from just saying that they need to increase prices by significantly more than that to accommodate the increased wages? Y’know, with lies? It happened with groceries, so I can imagine them seeing this as a good excuse to try to squeeze some more profit out.
Still having customers. Groceries are a basic need, but fast food is a luxury most people are already wanting to cut back anyway. I have been a fan of McChickens for a long time due to them being so cheap. They don’t taste amazing, but they got the job done, and were pretty much the cheapest protein I could get without having to make something myself. Even now, without any additional price hikes, they are now $3.50 for a single McChicken in my area. I cannot justify spending that, so I have completely stopped going to McDonalds. Since all other fast food has already done this before McDonalds, I no longer eat any fast food. They’ve all lost the only quality that made them worth while. Anecdotally, most people I know who did eat fast food don’t anymore due to prices. The higher they go, the more customers they will lose.
That already happened
Greed is a tragically reliable behavior to anticipate from a Corp.
They did away with most of their staff and their prices went up over 100% over the last 5 years or so anyway. It’s corporate greed all the way down.
There’s no hill to assault, I don’t think anybody except the abusers (and the profiteers) disagree with you.
You’d be surprised. In this specific example, many people believe such jobs are meant only for high schoolers and anyone else in that job is too stupid or lazy to do better and therefore don’t deserve better.
Hamburgling used to be a decent profession. Now with such cheap burgers all those skilled workers are left out.
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Select “Custom” and type 0.00 without breaking eye contact. Be careful, though, that 0.00 can quickly turn into 8.88 if you’re not looking.
You really think it’s the owner and not some poor, underpaid schmuck manning the register?
Yeah, it’s definitely the owner’s fault. That doesn’t change the fact that the underpaid schmuck always tries to blame the customer for not leaving a tip.
The awkwardness here actually works in favour of abolishing tips and replacing them with the pay being factored into higher prices.
No one wants to be the sucker - human nature is that people are generous if they think everyone else is generous, but if they feel that others are not ‘pulling their weight’ on generosity and are instead taking advantage, that’s the fastest way to dry up other people’s generosity. Right-wing media use this fact to undermine support for social welfare - e.g. if 0.001% of welfare payments are fraudulently taken, they set editorial policy that makes it seem like beneficiaries are rorting the system instead of being truly needy.
But when it comes to tipping, the dynamic actually works the other way - people feel generous by tipping, even though it is harmful long term. If a few people ahead of someone in the line don’t tip, should they be the sucker who does tip? And for the employee, you want them to be the advocate on the inside for forcing people to pay their share instead of taking advantage - by having the displayed price be the total upfront price that includes the compensation for employees, instead of an optional tip.
If any place said a 30% tip is so so, I’m not tipping.
If I saw this I would give them exactly what I think they’re worth. $0.01 and a bad online review.
If you said “$.02 (point oh two) and a bad online review” it would’ve had an extra layer and sounded cooler while rhyming.
Yes but it would undercut how absolutely dead serious I was about it.
My main issue isn’t even the amounts but the labels. The recipient might think $30 is SoSo but it might be everything the giver has. It might also just be a pathetic pittance to the giver.
This was at a self-service kiosk, too, right?
That means the tip goes to the customer, right?
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